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Old 12-06-2013, 09:26 AM
 
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Not all of them, therefore it was a poor generalization of the working poor.
as i said those that WANT to get out of poverty usually do. there are many that SAY they want to get out of poverty, but then dont do the things they need to do to get out. they dont go the extra mile to get the employers attention to get a promotion, they dont go out and get a continuing education, etc. they just go to work, do their job, and go home. sometimes they will **** and moan about how they arent making any money, or getting ahead, but thats all they do.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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How can they catch fraud? The government has added a ridiculous number of new disabilities so that just about any reason someone doesn't feel like working can get them disability handouts, food stamps, etc.

Like I said and you can go down to any welfare office yourself and see that very few of the recipients are missing arms and legs. Most could do some sort of work.
You don't need to be missing limbs to be disabled. And they catch fraud the same way insurance companies catch fraud.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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as i said those that WANT to get out of poverty usually do. there are many that SAY they want to get out of poverty, but then dont do the things they need to do to get out. they dont go the extra mile to get the employers attention to get a promotion, they dont go out and get a continuing education, etc. they just go to work, do their job, and go home. sometimes they will **** and moan about how they arent making any money, or getting ahead, but thats all they do.
That still doesn't make someone lazy. What if that job has a glass ceiling, what if they can't afford or can't spare the time away from work for school? Going to work and doing their job is not what one calls lazy. They may not be getting ahead, but that isn't lazy.

A friend that grew up here in New Jersey said to me, living here (the NYC metro) you work hard and do what you can to get ahead and every time you think you are something forces you to fall back, it is an endless cycle of struggling to get ahead but never succeeding. There are many people in that same situation but I would never call them lazy.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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as i said those that WANT to get out of poverty usually do. there are many that SAY they want to get out of poverty, but then dont do the things they need to do to get out. they dont go the extra mile to get the employers attention to get a promotion, they dont go out and get a continuing education, etc. they just go to work, do their job, and go home. sometimes they will **** and moan about how they arent making any money, or getting ahead, but thats all they do.
Funny, I rarely see or hear poor people b!tc# and moan. It's always the supposedly well off people that I see online b!tc#ing and moaning about poor people. Like sheesh-if you've worked so hard and have so much to show for it, can't you at least enjoy your life and blessings?

I guess the poor are too busy trying to put food on the table.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:45 AM
 
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he pulled himself out of poverty. but he is right, poverty is a result of laziness. if people dont want to put forth the effort required to get out of poverty, they wont get out of poverty. and in the end we will never get rid of poverty in any country. the poor will always be with us.

??? How do you explain the continued existence of the working poor?
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Austin
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The discussion topic was not about bashing poor.
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Old 12-06-2013, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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poverty is a by-product of laziness. I was poor growing up, and I am now lower middle class. but compared to what I had when I was young, I am rich. I am content with where I am. but I had to work hard and a lot to earn what I earned. I knew I was not going to get out of poverty by being lazy.
You may live long enough for the Karma of what you have said to bite you back. If true, and you pulled yourself up from poverty to "lower middle class"... my what a low bar you set for yourself... just saying but Dr. Ben Carson pulled himself from poverty, past lower middle class and right to the very pinnacle of financial acheivement. IMO he gets the bragging rights and you should just go away and be grateful for your good fortune. You don't know about laziness. There are women working two jobs, back breaking, dirty, arduous work, but they are in poverty because they are exploited. Be ashamed.

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Old 12-06-2013, 10:21 AM
 
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My family is in the top 5% of earners in the country.

White lower middle class peoples obsession with poor black people taking their tax money through welfare fraud is disproportionate to the actual problem. It's effect on lower middle class white people is so miniscule compared to so many other things, that it renders the whole thing absurd. Yet you have dozens of these people who spend all day on internet forums whining about how poor black people are ripping them off because they get food stamps. If you're making 40K living in some crap hole town in Ohio, you're basically contributing jack squat to some welfare queen in the projects and her food stamps.

Get over yourselves.
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Old 12-06-2013, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Austin
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According to social scientist Charles Murray:
http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc242a.pdf
a $10,000 distribution to ALL adults each year would be more effective and less costly than the current welfare system.

Incidental benefit: it would require a fraction of current government bureaucrats working in the welfare system.
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Old 12-06-2013, 10:43 AM
 
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Giving money to people that don't know how to handle money doesn't do anything to reduce or eliminate poverty.
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