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That vast majority of that 47% that don't pay federal income taxes are disabled, children and retired people. The biggest portion of that group are retired people who paid taxes all their working lives and helped make our country the great nation it is today.
Of course you're not trying to say that MOST people who don't pay federal income taxes are deadbeats and leeches on the system, are you? That would be a gross distortion and a bare faced misrepresentation.
If you ever went to a polling station to cast a ballot, you'd note that the entire staff is mostly composed of old, retired people.
If you ever go to a tea party rally, you'd find that it's mostly old people getting YOUR message of broken government and lazy welfare cheats out to the rest of the political field.
If you ever go to a Veterans hospital you'd see all the information booths and aid stations manned by retired people.
Fact is, while our sons and daughters are out in the field making a living to raise our grandchildren, we're out doing all the community service work for free.
A lot of military recruits come from the lowest rungs of the economic ladder. So it could be argued that what the poor contribute is more valuable than money....their children.
If they are not paying their fair share in taxes, they should be offering up the only thing of value they have.... their children. We have an all volunteer army. They don't have to go along.
If they are not paying their fair share in taxes, they should be offering up the only thing of value they have.... their children. We have an all volunteer army. They don't have to go along.
Correct. They do not have to join the military. It's not a draft. We don't have mandatory military service.
Because ever since the taxes were collected by the federal government, it has been a progressive tax, not a flat tax. That's how first world countries do it. You make more, you pay more to fulfill your social contract to the nation. I know it's the right wing conservative who wants to deny that they have any social compact with our society and their logical escape is to point the finger at those who have nothing and thereby justify paying little or nothing.
Also, the retired elderly, meaning your mom or grandma depending on your age, already paid taxes all their working life. Yet they still pay sales tax, property tax, vehicle registration tax, communication tax, city sewage surcharge, etc, etc, etc. That is what I meant by "other taxes".
Look, lifeexplorer, I read your posts and I know wherein you are coming from politically.
If you want to attempt to portray all that 47% and young, mostly minorities, as leaches and deadbeats who are ripping off the system and not paying their fair share, then just come out and say so. Don't tip toe around your agenda. Stand up and shout it out to the world. But you can't and you won't because if you did, the very next post would post facts and links that prove the total falsehood of that premise.
My job is to take scrambled logic and season it with the actual facts of the matter so the most gullible will not step in the horse manure being spread by the RWcon in their garden of deceit and distortion.
Please tell me where I can get a copy of this "social contract" so I can see exactly what I am on the hook for.
Please tell me where I can get a copy of this "social contract" so I can see exactly what I am on the hook for.
here ya go. Seems pretty clear to me that it states "We" are all in this together and will cover each of our butts independantly and together.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Now let's see you tap dance around that 235 year old blanket statement. But I know you will. To a RWNJ, "Shall not be infringed" means exactly than and cannot be re-interpreted but the wording "promote the general welfare" means something entirely different than what it says. I've had this discussion many times before........Ho Hum.
here ya go. Seems pretty clear to me that it states "We" are all in this together and will cover each of our butts independantly and together.
We the People of the United States...
Actually, the Preamble cannot be presumed to include all Americans.
The U.S. Constitution is a compact. Those who could not and did not ratify it cannot be presumed to be bound by its terms.
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in Court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution, it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it. The States are the parties to it. And they may complain...."
- - -Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. Mayor and Alderman, City of Savannah, 14 Ga. 438, 520 (1854) Supreme Court of Georgia
Private people not not parties to the compact. Ergo, they are not "People of the United States" who ordained and established the compact.
Actually, the Preamble cannot be presumed to include all Americans.
The U.S. Constitution is a compact. Those who could not and did not ratify it cannot be presumed to be bound by its terms.
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in Court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution, it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it. The States are the parties to it. And they may complain...."
- - -Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. Mayor and Alderman, City of Savannah, 14 Ga. 438, 520 (1854) Supreme Court of Georgia
Private people not not parties to the compact. Ergo, they are not "People of the United States" who ordained and established the compact.
You mean all this time, I've had the Constitution shoved down my throat by the right wingers and it has no basis of application for the individual? "We the People" doesn't even mean "We the People?".
Wow! my head just exploded and the tinfoil hit the ceiling fan.
Just goes to show that a good lawyer can argue any side of the issue and win.
A lot people here think the rich don't pay enough tax even they are paying majority of the income tax. A lot people want to tax the rich even more and I see numbers as high as 90% tax rate being threw around.
So what are the social responsibilities of those who don't pay taxes? What are their contributions to the society? Obviously I am not talking about those disabled people, children or retired people.
1, are you talking about taxes or just income taxes? If the latter than why does the thread title only say taxes?
2, what exactly do you mean by the rich even pay the majority of income tax? Of course they pay the majority of income tax, they have the majority of income
Expected reply: "But they don't, they don't pay taxes!"
My reply: Yes, they do. They pay sales taxes, property taxes (if they own property), payroll taxes, fees, and more. There should be no obligation to pay tax on income you need to get buy. So, everyone's social responsibility is to pay tax on income above what is needed to pay for basic necessities.
True, there are many taxes that the right annoying avoids mentioning.
However, the bottom 40% makes a net average gain of $18,950 per household off of the federal government when looking at all of the "transfers" and the straight up cash that they receive on average certainly covers more than those other taxes combined.
So the typical household in the bottom 40% is in effect all together making a profit on all taxes combined.
That vast majority of that 47% that don't pay federal income taxes are disabled, children and retired people.
Source please.
Seems like someone fed you a line of BS.
So you honestly think that the "vast majority" of the 47% of the households in this country that pay no federal income taxes are disabled, orphans or the retired poor? LOL... You fell for that?
What is "vast majority"? 80%? So 80% of roughly half is 40%. You think 4 out of 10 houses across this vast nation are impoverished from disability or are orphan children, or retired poor and therefore have no income to report paying taxes on?
You do realize that you pay federal income taxes on annuities, pensions, traditional IRAs, traditional 401Ks, etc... Capital gains and dividends stocks aren't taxed as normal income but were used in the calculation of federal income taxes. Don't you think your statement is absurd?
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