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Old 01-04-2014, 10:22 AM
 
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Actually, the elderly are receiving more from Social Security than they paid in due to living longer than previous generations. Wealthy retirees who do not need Social Security also take it--how about some means testing?

As far as far as Democrats receiving more federal taxes, where are you obtaining your figures?

Obama Supporters Subsidize Romney Supporters With Their Taxes - Economic Intelligence (usnews.com)

Red States Are Welfare Queens - Business Insider

'Red State Socialism' graphic says GOP-leaning states get lion's share of federal dollars | PolitiFact

Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In | Mother Jones

Surprise! Red States Actually Take in More Federal Aid Than Blue States!
You are posting a low IQ argument that is false, but can fool the sheep well.

Number one, your partisan links ignore that red states have more military bases, NASA bases, etc...

Number two, your partisan links ignore that the blue counties in those red states and blue voter demographics are the ones on food stamps and etc...

Sorry, but democrat voters are more likely to be making a profit off of fall income taxes. Obama won the poor vote and the high school drop out vote.
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:24 AM
 
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Who doesn't pay taxes?

Unless you are in one of a very few places, if you work, own property (including vehicles frequently) or purchase anything, you are paying taxes.
If you are low income and get over 8,000 in net profit from federal income taxes, it probably covers all of those other taxes.
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:28 AM
 
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Wonder why Romney would only release the two most recent years of tax returns? You can only amend them so far back. As far as people like your sister-in-law, does she have kids or make less than $20k? I pay more taxes than my co-workers with children. Parents get those pesky tax credits--maybe they should be eliminated. I'd like to know how to get a negative tax rate unless you are at poverty level--obviously there are too many loopholes and credits. Why don't you call for tax reform so your sister-in-law pays her share instead of making arrogant statements and calling people liars?

Buffett says he's still paying lower tax rate than his secretary - Mar. 4, 2013

Yup, the Buffett-and-his-secretary analogy is completely accurate - The Plum Line - The Washington Post
Romney probably didn't release more years, because he didnt have to legally and Obama was doing a good enough job lying about realty to release more.

You fell for the lie that blue voters subsidize red voters based on raw state data, so I'd bet you also sdont fully understand the tax code well and just how many see a net gain off federal income taxes.
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:39 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Who doesn't pay taxes?
Approximately 47% of the income tax-eligible pay no federal income tax. A full 30% of the income tax-eligible get money FROM the federal government instead of paying any federal income tax at all.
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:47 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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I don't have a problem with some form of a progressive tax structure.
Then stop talking about how people don't pair their fair share because that's how the system was designed.

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However, Democrats clouding the facts of the issue and outright lying on major premises are signs that they realize the current structure is not defensible.

Saying that teachers and firemen pay a higher rate than Romney is a lie. Per CNN Romney's rate was estimated to be higher than 80 to 90% of the country. My sister in law had a negative tax rate for 2011 (I do her taxes with TurboTax which calculates your effective rate) - got back more than she paid in and was repeating the Obama sheep herding lie that she paid a higher effective rate than Mitt Romney. I asked her what proof she had as her rate was negative and Romney's released rate was ~14%, she responded well I am a teacher. Obama loves the ignorant.
Okay......
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:54 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Yes, virtually every tax-eligible person pays local and state taxes and receive local and state benefits and services. BUT... It is an actual fact that approximately 47% of the income tax-eligible pay no federal income tax whatsoever. Since they're not contributing, should they be receiving federal government benefits and services (other than SS and Medicare for which they ARE paying)?
They should because many of those programs were designed specifically for them.

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The bottom 99% earn over 60% of the income. That's where the majority of the income is, not in the top 1%.
So just 1% of the population hold 40% of the entire income..... Wow talk about inequality.

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Read this to understand why over-reliance on any income group for income tax revenue is a huge mistake:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/32587552-post99.html
Okay?
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:55 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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You are posting a low IQ argument that is false, but can fool the sheep well.

Number one, your partisan links ignore that red states have more military bases, NASA bases, etc...

Number two, your partisan links ignore that the blue counties in those red states and blue voter demographics are the ones on food stamps and etc...

Sorry, but democrat voters are more likely to be making a profit off of fall income taxes. Obama won the poor vote and the high school drop out vote.
Good ole welfare!
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:57 AM
 
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Then stop talking about how people don't pair their fair share because that's how the system was designed.



Okay......
What kind of logic is that?

So, because I accept the concept of a progressive tax structure - I can't complain about any progressive tax structure or any lies to support a poor one. Seems ridiculous.

Hey, you support a representative democracy - so you can't complain about Bush - derp derp dee doo.
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Old 01-04-2014, 01:26 PM
 
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Correct. They do not have to join the military. It's not a draft. We don't have mandatory military service.
I'm aware of that. I'm also aware of where the majority of military recruits come from....and it ain't from the elite private high schools out in the Hamptons.
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Old 01-04-2014, 02:11 PM
 
Location: USA
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Who the hell in this country doesn't have to pay sales taxes or property taxes (even indirectly through rent)? You can't complain about people whining about the rich people's tax burden while lying about the tax burden on the poor.
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