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How does not baking a cake "infringe" on anybody's rights? Is that in the big piece of paper? Is there something that says you have a right to get a cake from wherever you want? What kind of insanity is going on in this country.
I agree that making a fight over cakes is dumb, but it leads to bad precedents over which services people can or can't deny. Should banks be able to deny mortages to gay couples? I'm not sure the cake thing should be a law, though.
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Quite a few have. But churches are not considered public accommodations, and retain the right to exclude gays if they wish.
Edited to add: So I'm not sure what your comment has to do with freedom of religion.
So If i wanted a cake at a gay church and they denied me would it make national news? I doubt it. Point is being completely missed by all in this thread.
This is how democrats get votes..........nonsense.
It's not about the cake. It's about some religions having practices and beliefs that run counter to the public good and public interest. Not all religions, mind you, but some. And religions that instruct to their adherents to deny service to people is not only anachronistic, it runs counter to the public interest. Just as we can't have people sacrificing animals in public in the name of religion, we cannot have people discriminating against others on the basis of race, creed, color, gender, sexual orientation, etc. in the name of religion.
And yes, I am just as critical of Islam and its treatment of women (which is abhorrent) and would state that a business cannot discriminate against women just because it is run by strict adherents to the Koran.
Which reminds me--a few years ago the state of Nebraska put two Muslim men in prison because one man sold his two minor daughters to the other as wives. Both men used their religion as their defenses, to which the state of Nebraska said, "phooey." The point being: Muslims don't get a free ride either.
I don't know why gay folks don't just start their own church? Why is that so hard to figure out? They would rather wail and moan............the wailers and moaners are for political gain. Most want to just live their lives. But this gets the left all wound out to vote and that is how they win elections sadly.
We have lots of "gay churches" around here - but they are also welcoming to ANYONE, in fact I've participated in a number of musical events in them. I even played in a concert with the Gay Men's Chorus once, as part of the accompanying women's orchestra. Interesting how they can manage inclusiveness, which is apparently a difficult concept for so many others.
But that still doesn't change what I already said, about enforcing the laws as they currently stand. As with your suggestion they shop elsewhere, they can and probably will, but should still call attention to businesses that are violating these laws. Do you not agree? If so, I guess we can call you an anarchist from now on.
Disclaimer: I've broken my share of laws over the years, but have never complained when consequences resulted. Isn't that what conservatives usually call taking responsibility for your actions?
The law that says you must serve all customers equally, and if your service happens to be baking cakes, that applies to cake. If you only want to bake cakes for certain people, start a business out of your home... then it will be a PRIVATE business, which is not subject to public anti-discrimination laws.
Sheesh, I feel like I'm repeating myself over & over here. You aren't dumb, so why is this simple concept still eluding you?
The law says you can't discriminate. Baking cakes is a choice. If someone has issues abiding by anti-discrimination laws, then they have made a foolish choice in operating a cake baking business.
So If i wanted a cake at a gay church and they denied me would it make national news? I doubt it. Point is being completely missed by all in this thread.
This is how democrats get votes..........nonsense.
As long as Progressive can stay consistent I can accept their views, it's the constant hypocrisy and case by case approach that irks me.
Would Progressives defend a Neo-Nazi couple who insist a Jewish bakery make them a cake to commemorate Hitler's birthday?
Do you have a case in which that happened? Otherwise you can't make make the presumption. But we do know that the ACLU stood behind Nazis who marched through a Jewish neighborhood.
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When Muslims reject gays in their place of worship will Progressives argue that Mosques should have their tax exempt status revoked?
That would not happen--and in fact, has not happened--when Christians have rejected gays in their places of worship. There are plenty of congregations in which that's already known to be the congregational stance.
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When Latinos vote against abortion will they take to the internet to call them names & belittle their religious beliefs?
Already been done. The Catholic church's stand on abortion is clearly known, and the Latino stance on it is already clearly known, so whatever name calling would be done has already been done.
So If i wanted a cake at a gay church and they denied me would it make national news? I doubt it. Point is being completely missed by all in this thread.
This is how democrats get votes..........nonsense.
I guess republicans get votes by confusing laws, bringing up irrelevant "analogies," then calling people hypocrites when they point out the fact that you're confused? Okay, makes sense!
For the last friggin' time, seriously: A CHURCH IS NOT A PUBLIC-SERVING BUSINESS. So unless you want to keep digging yourself into this hole, and further proving how little you understand of this subject, I would suggest leaving the church-related analogies alone. Religious freedom ONLY applies to places of worship, government preference, private worship, etc. It does NOT apply to serving customers in a public business, end of story and I'm done explaining.
Every business has a right to deny service to who they don't want in their business. You don't like it then go next door and eat a cake. Why is this so hard for liberals to understand. Go into a restruant and see a sign that says we have the right to deny service bla bla bla. Are you folks so far gone you think you can make everybody do anything you want? It appears so.
You're just trolling. I suspect that not even you are ignorant of the civil rights laws that prohibit discrimination on certain bases, including race, religion, national origin, and various other characteristics in certain states.
Stop wasting our time.
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