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Old 03-11-2014, 09:05 PM
 
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Harrier's church is gay friendly.

The official term is "open and welcoming".

Two gay men who are "married" are prominent leaders.

Harrier has also been elected as a leader, but it will be very hard for him to change the prevailing culture and return the church to sound doctrine.
I agree with you...........all are. You don't get thrown out on the street so to say anywhere. I was making a point of why gays don't just start a gay church and get married there. They can't.

 
Old 03-11-2014, 09:08 PM
 
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What "right" is spelled out that somebody has to bake you a cake? Show me that "right" you seem to think you have.
This concept is not registering with you and it is not a new concept. Many posters here have all been very patient and have explained it to you over and over... I'm not going to explain it again.

Here is a link to the Southern Poverty Law Center. It has a lot of resources and articles on hate groups etc. You can see where discrimination can lead to (not always, of course). I suggest you take a look. Maybe you can learn something here.

Southern Poverty Law Center
 
Old 03-11-2014, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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I agree with you...........all are. You don't get thrown out on the street so to say anywhere. I was making a point of why gays don't just start a gay church and get married there. They can't.
Who is trying to make ANY church marry them?

Again, CHURCHES can turn away anyone for any reason they choose.

Even in podunk Mississippi there are churches willing to have a wedding for same sex couples.
 
Old 03-11-2014, 09:15 PM
 
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Who is trying to make ANY church marry them?

Again, CHURCHES can turn away anyone for any reason they choose.

Even in podunk Mississippi there are churches willing to have a wedding for same sex couples.
So you agree folks can make a cake for who they want?
 
Old 03-11-2014, 09:16 PM
 
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This concept is not registering with you and it is not a new concept. Many posters here have all been very patient and have explained it to you over and over... I'm not going to explain it again.

Here is a link to the Southern Poverty Law Center. It has a lot of resources and articles on hate groups etc. You can see where discrimination can lead to (not always, of course). I suggest you take a look. Maybe you can learn something here.

Southern Poverty Law Center
Your heroes? Sue away............lol
 
Old 03-11-2014, 09:19 PM
 
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So you agree folks can make a cake for who they want?
Church does not = business.
 
Old 03-11-2014, 09:24 PM
 
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Not really.
"Not really" what?

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The "church" you are talking about AGREED to rent to the general public in exchange for special tax status. If they weren't being greedy and trying to get out of paying taxes, then they wouldn't be in trouble for breaking their agreement.
That was not the issue at all, there was no such "agreement." The church was totally running the rental of its facilities as a commercial business. That has also been an issue with other kinds of businesses, such as bookstores, and many churches have changed their practices--severely curtailing operations that fall into that category.
 
Old 03-11-2014, 09:24 PM
 
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Your heroes? Sue away............lol
No, the Southern Poverty Law Center is not my hero because organizations are not people (yes, they are made up of people). Anyway, they are a good resource of what is out there. I have no reason to sue anyone so I don't know why you would suggest I, "Sue away..." Thanks though!
 
Old 03-11-2014, 09:25 PM
 
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So you agree folks can make a cake for who they want?
A BAKERY is a BUSINESS, not a CHURCH.
 
Old 03-11-2014, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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I discussed that over lunch with my pastor about year ago. I'm not going to budge on the stance that homosexual activity is forbidden behavior for Christians.
You're free to believe that to your heart's content but if you run a business which is open to the general public then that is a BUSINESS not a religious organization and thus you are subject to regular business laws including laws against discrimination. So, if you engage in illegal discriminatory action you will be sued into poverty and rightly so.
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