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"Lot's" of gay churches? LOL.........I've never seen one............anywhere. Hey if so get married there. Why is that so hard for gay folks to figure out? My kids went to catholic school and had a lesbian couple who adopted a kid and guess what..........they didnt' throw em out like libs think. One was a beech but the other was nice. I guess playing the part.
No one is forcing ANY church to have a wedding ceremony for anyone. Churches can refuse a service for anyone. A BAKERY is not a CHURCH though.
No, you just haven't accepted the explanations. It's in the New Testament clearly enough.
It is in SOME versions of the New Testament, and in NO versions (that I've read) of the Torah/OT. But as I said, you are free to believe as you choose... as long as those beliefs aren't used as an excuse to violate public commerce laws, knock yourself out. But when people claim "G-d" is against homosexuality, I can't help pointing out the lack of any such thing in the OT. Isn't that supposed to be the word of G-d?
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And there you do make the point Jesus Himself would make. Homosexuality is there, but it's in the middle of a list that catches nearly all Christians.
Exactly. And yet some Christians (not you, necessarily) seem to have a particular disdain for homosexuals. Can you explain that? Off topic, but something I have always wondered.
Churches do not offer cakes for sale. ANY church can deny a wedding ceremony for anyone they choose to.
A CHURCH is not the same thing as a BUSINESS.
Usually. A church has to be careful of when it runs a business.
The issue is that a church must always draw a clear distinction between the "sacred" and the "profane." "Sacred" means that which is holy, sanctified, and dedicated only to God; "profane" is that which is made available to the world at large.
A church that keeps a resource sacred--holy, sanctified, and dedicated only to God--will not be forced to administer that resource according to public accommodation laws. So a church that strictly offers its sanctuary only to members of its own denomination or sect--even if a fee is paid--won't have to make its sanctuary available to others. That goes for things such as bookstores, cafeterias, et cetera.
But if it has made its resources "profane" by having offered them outside the sanctity of its own membership, then the government has authority.
One example a few years ago was a church that owned resort cabins that had for years rented out to all kinds of corporations, businesses, and individuals for vacation getaways. When a gay couple attempted to rent one for a wedding and was denied, they went to court and won. Had the church consistently limited its use only to other churches and Christian groups, they would have won the case.
Exactly. And yet some Christians (not you, necessarily) seem to have a particular disdain for homosexuals. Can you explain that? Off topic, but something I have always wondered.
I discussed that over lunch with my pastor about year ago. I'm not going to budge on the stance that homosexual activity is forbidden behavior for Christians. Yet, there are many other forbidden behaviors for Christians, and very few of them do we require people to be totally free from failure before we are willing to accept them within the Body of Christ.
It is in SOME versions of the New Testament, and in NO versions (that I've read) of the Torah/OT. But as I said, you are free to believe as you choose... as long as those beliefs aren't used as an excuse to violate public commerce laws, knock yourself out. But when people claim "G-d" is against homosexuality, I can't help pointing out the lack of any such thing in the OT. Isn't that supposed to be the word of G-d?.
Well, if you are a Jew, I already accept the fact that you don't believe what I believe about the New Testament...and the issue of homosexuality isn't even the beginning of that disagreement.
"Lot's" of gay churches? LOL.........I've never seen one............anywhere. Hey if so get married there. Why is that so hard for gay folks to figure out? My kids went to catholic school and had a lesbian couple who adopted a kid and guess what..........they didnt' throw em out like libs think. One was a beech but the other was nice. I guess playing the part.
We aren't discussing gay marriage, let alone religious freedom in churches, so this isn't relevant... but yes, of course they would choose to marry in a gay-friendly church!
I don't know about the rest of the world, but we do have lots of gay-friendly churches around here. You can even find one in your neck of the woods, possibly, using one of many websites:
"Lot's" of gay churches? LOL.........I've never seen one............anywhere. Hey if so get married there. Why is that so hard for gay folks to figure out? My kids went to catholic school and had a lesbian couple who adopted a kid and guess what..........they didnt' throw em out like libs think. One was a beech but the other was nice. I guess playing the part.
Harrier's church is gay friendly.
The official term is "open and welcoming".
Two gay men who are "married" are prominent leaders.
Harrier has also been elected as a leader, but it will be very hard for him to change the prevailing culture and return the church to sound doctrine.
I discussed that over lunch with my pastor about year ago. I'm not going to budge on the stance that homosexual activity is forbidden behavior for Christians. Yet, there are many other forbidden behaviors for Christians, and very few of them do we require people to be totally free from failure before we are willing to accept them within the Body of Christ.
Kirk you are gonna catch all kinds of hell for that one. Confession is how catholics get back to reality. I have been there many times as a child and think it's a joke myself. Now I do believe in God and everything that comes with it but I think God has more things to worry about than what I do.
Usually. A church has to be careful of when it runs a business.
The issue is that a church must always draw a clear distinction between the "sacred" and the "profane." "Sacred" means that which is holy, sanctified, and dedicated only to God; "profane" is that which is made available to the world at large.
A church that keeps a resource sacred--holy, sanctified, and dedicated only to God--will not be forced to administer that resource according to public accommodation laws. So a church that strictly offers its sanctuary only to members of its own denomination or sect--even if a fee is paid--won't have to make its sanctuary available to others. That goes for things such as bookstores, cafeterias, et cetera.
But if it has made its resources "profane" by having offered them outside the sanctity of its own membership, then the government has authority.
One example a few years ago was a church that owned resort cabins that had for years rented out to all kinds of corporations, businesses, and individuals for vacation getaways. When a gay couple attempted to rent one for a wedding and was denied, they went to court and won. Had the church consistently limited its use only to other churches and Christian groups, they would have won the case.
Not really. The "church" you are talking about AGREED to rent to the general public in exchange for special tax status. If they weren't being greedy and trying to get out of paying taxes, then they wouldn't be in trouble for breaking their agreement.
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