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Old 05-27-2014, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The trouble with disability is there are no work incentives, only disincentives. Truth is the overwhelming majority of people would want to work and contribute if they could. IF you are sick enough in the first place to get on disability, you should just get Medicare for life. That would make a huge difference, since you wouldn't have to choose between work or medical care. Yes they do have an extended benefit window, where you can keep medicare I think for five years. Still I find it highly likely these issues could come up later in life and you'll need some kind of treatment.

Never mind the fact that current medical care in American is more about 'disease management' then curing disease for a lifetime. It's not so much a safety net more like being stuck in a financial dungeon. Housing is healthcare!And once you are stuck in this financial dungeon be prepared for frequent relocation due to 'global market forces'. Some studies suggest that relocating your home is the third most stressful event in life.

So you ping pong from place to place, never really establishing yourself and the constant stress starts to seriously impede your life.
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Old 05-27-2014, 10:51 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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Obama appealed to your emotion of fear, envy, hatred, pity, and greed for his deceptive purposes. OBAMA is a politician who as you said in a previous post used the people perceptive to those emotions for his own gain yet there are useful idiots out there that actually think he gives a dam about them. How can he?

Once again he is appealing to peoples stupidity, saying that he finds out about things in the news.
My problem isn't your statement by itself, my problem is how blind and prejudice you are. You don't think Bush did the same exact thing with Iraq, 911 and the war on terror. Played on our fears for the patriot act and our stupidity with the WMD and getting rid of Saddam and all the other new things he could bring up to keep us in the war?
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Old 05-27-2014, 11:06 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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You are really out there.... buying into the liberal propaganda
No im just not buying any ones garbage. There are lazy people on welfare using the system that are dependent, i don't argue that and we need some form of reform. But just are lazy and bad are corporations who get government subsidies, massive tax breaks and special favors to keep prices down and to create jobs but don't even if they make historic profits. Then to make more profits the first thing they cut is lower level employees wages and benefits. But can pay a CEO in a two figure million $ salery. In my opinion both are thieves.

But if we listen to the right what the government does for the corporate and rich fat cats is ok. I call BS
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Old 05-28-2014, 07:17 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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My problem isn't your statement by itself, my problem is how blind and prejudice you are. You don't think Bush did the same exact thing with Iraq, 911 and the war on terror. Played on our fears for the patriot act and our stupidity with the WMD and getting rid of Saddam and all the other new things he could bring up to keep us in the war?
That's all bipartisan. Clinton did the same thing. Obama has continued and even increased the intrusion of the Patriot Act. If you think it's one party or the other on the issues you've raised, you're being played.


President Clinton orders attack on Iraq - YouTube


Obama’s dismal civil liberties record - Salon.com
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Old 05-28-2014, 09:00 AM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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That's all bipartisan. Clinton did the same thing. Obama has continued and even increased the intrusion of the Patriot Act. If you think it's one party or the other on the issues you've raised, you're being played.


President Clinton orders attack on Iraq - YouTube


Obama’s dismal civil liberties record - Salon.com
No i know its both parties, i bring up bush etc because i don't hear balance in the thread.
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Old 05-28-2014, 09:27 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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No i know its both parties, i bring up bush etc because i don't hear balance in the thread.
No balance in the thread? Clinton started the whole Iraq has WMDs thing, people stupidly believed Democrats' 'bush lied' false propaganda meme, Obama makes the Patriot Act worse, and you think you need to pile on Bush for balance? That's ludicrous.
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Old 05-28-2014, 01:11 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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No balance in the thread? Clinton started the whole Iraq has WMDs thing, people stupidly believed Democrats' 'bush lied' false propaganda meme, Obama makes the Patriot Act worse, and you think you need to pile on Bush for balance? That's ludicrous.
Ok ladies and gentleman, the only problem in this country is the poor. Cut all the welfare to the poor and see if that money doesn't end up in corporate welfare pockets ok. People are worried about wealth redistribution to the poor. Sorry, The truth is wealth redistribution has already happened and instead of the poor its the rich it went too. When 80% of our population owns only aprox 11% - 20% (depending on which study etc) there is no argument. Also there is no agrument of laziness or lack of ambition etc that can justify this. I just find it baffling especially on here that ones supporting the total right philosophy must believe they are in the top 20% (sorry most likely not) to continue this eco genoc
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Old 05-28-2014, 01:17 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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No balance in the thread? Clinton started the whole Iraq has WMDs thing, people stupidly believed Democrats' 'bush lied' false propaganda meme, Obama makes the Patriot Act worse, and you think you need to pile on Bush for balance? That's ludicrous.
Reagan and Bush Sr got us into the iraq conflict.
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Old 05-28-2014, 01:24 PM
 
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What foolishness.

Yes Iraq had WMD. He DID NOT have them later when Bush claimed he did. He DID have them when Clinton stated he had.

Whats so hard about this? The UN helped him destroy tons of them. This is documented.
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Old 05-28-2014, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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If you want welfare so bad, quit your job and go get it. Enjoy providing every document that's ever been issued to you, submitting yourself and/or your kids to blood tests, going in for recertification interviews where they will cut you off if you don't go (whether or not your employer will allow), and in some cases, sitting on a waiting list for 10 years (provided that the waiting list is open, which spoiler alert if you're trying to get section 8, chances are 99% that where you live it is not.)

Then come back and tell me how glamorous welfare is. Yes, people on welfare cheat the system. I accept that probably the majority does. But the system is designed so poorly that I cannot blame them for doing so.
I agree with you. Its not all rainbows and butterflies.
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