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Old 02-20-2015, 11:02 AM
 
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It impacts voter turnout...

http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/665966.pdf

News version.

Report: Voter ID laws reduce turnout more among African American and younger voters - The Washington Post

Why does the right want to disenfranchise voters? Could it be that the group disenfranchised tends to vote Democrat?

Or.... voter ID laws increase black voter turnout:

NC Voter ID Laws Deliver Increase In Black Voter Turnout | Liberaland

North Carolina is a state that has implemented such voter ID laws, to much wailing and gnashing of teeth, and the results are in: in the May 2014 primary elections for federal and state offices, held under the new laws, black voter turnout increased 29.5%, in an election where turnout increased overall, with an increase of white voter turnout of 13.7%.
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Old 02-20-2015, 11:03 AM
 
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If a person doesn't have the wits about them to obtain a state issued ID card at their local DMV (a one hour process that costs a trivial amount) then they probably don't have any business deciding the direction that this country should be heading...
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Old 02-20-2015, 11:05 AM
 
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Will a WWII vet do?

Portage County veteran, 86, doesn't vote after VA identification card rejected at polls | cleveland.com

You could try using Google - there's no lack of incidents.
I'm sorry for this guy, but proving state of residence is mandatory in our state-based voting system. Anyway, he was not disenfranchised to vote, just didn't follow the rules.
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Old 02-20-2015, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Nebraska (via Tri-Cities TN/VA)
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Will a WWII vet do?

Portage County veteran, 86, doesn't vote after VA identification card rejected at polls | cleveland.com

You could try using Google - there's no lack of incidents.
This man wasn't "disenfranchised." He failed to produce the proper documentation. I'd go as far to bet that he didn't check beforehand that his documentation was valid. Now...I think that VA ID cards should be considered a valid ID if it shows where he lives...but clearly his state doesn't therefore if voting is something that he cares to do...he needs to prepare to produce the documentation required.

There's no excuse for incompetence.
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Old 02-20-2015, 11:06 AM
 
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Why can't the left get their heads around the fact that proving that you are a legal resident doesn't constitute disenfranchisement? If those that chose to self-disenfranchise by being either too lazy or too ignorant to get their paperwork in order fail to complete the necessary steps...then so be it. No one is telling these people that they CAN'T vote. They are simply proposing that they prove to be who they say they are.

Are you saying that poor people and minorities are too incompetent or lazy to do this? If so...who's the real racist?
Read the report. It is not a question of can disenfranchise. It is that it does disenfranchise.

That might be a reasonable price to pay if it did something useful but it does not. There have, for instance, been two illegal voters in NV in recent years. Both had suitable ID

So the only practical outcome is to lower the Democratic vote by a couple of percent. Just more of the Republican effort to control Congress and other legislative body without a majority of the votes. Goes with the gerrymandering.
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Old 02-20-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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There have, for instance, been two illegal voters in NV in recent years. Both had suitable ID
Any details about this case? How were they caught?
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Old 02-20-2015, 11:10 AM
 
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The purpose of voter ID is to disinfranchise women, students and minorities. Its pretty obvious.
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Old 02-20-2015, 11:10 AM
 
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There's no excuse for incompetence.
Ah, so it's some sort of competence test for voting. How nice is that? That's never been abused before.
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Old 02-20-2015, 11:12 AM
 
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There's no excuse for incompetence.
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Ah, so it's some sort of competence test for voting. How nice is that? That's never been abused before.
There already is a competence test for voting, a voter registration form. You would be surprised at how many people are unable to follow simple instructions and fill one out correctly. That weeds out the incompetent.
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Old 02-20-2015, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Nebraska (via Tri-Cities TN/VA)
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Read the report. It is not a question of can disenfranchise. It is that it does disenfranchise.

That might be a reasonable price to pay if it did something useful but it does not. There have, for instance, been two illegal voters in NV in recent years. Both had suitable ID

So the only practical outcome is to lower the Democratic vote by a couple of percent. Just more of the Republican effort to control Congress and other legislative body without a majority of the votes. Goes with the gerrymandering.
Disenfranchise is the wrong word. Disenfranchisement implies that people are "deprived of the right to vote." No one is "disenfranchised." Deter may be a better word. And if Deter is the best word...and in this case it is...it's a question of laziness, incompetence, and a stunning lack of preperation. The amount that ID's cost (and in a lot of states they are free) is negligible and they aren't difficult at all to obtain. Every state's DMV is required to list the requirements to obtain an ID...it is LITERALLY spelled out for you.

The practical outcome of Voter ID laws is to preemptively address a potential serious problem with a very simple solution. Voter fraud stands to undermine our electoral process and it wouldn't be difficult at all to do it. Further...the instances of voter fraud that you mention above are those that have been caught. Wouldn't you agree that is is better to address a potential problem than try to fix one that has already occurred?
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