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They said it's not the factor it once was. Meaning it's decreased in significance, not gone entirely away.
If an Asian with the 3.1/31 stats has a 17% chance of being accepted into med school vs an African American's 74% chance TODAY, I would've loved to see what the stats were in 1998.
In 1998, Vijay Chokal-Ingam was “determined to become a doctor,” but his 3.1 GPA significantly reduced his chances. When he realized his application wouldn’t cut it, he came up with a back-up plan — he pretended to be black.
Chokal-Ingam, brother of famous actress Mindy Kaling, said he “knew that admission standards for certain minorities under affirmative action were, let’s say… less stringent.”
It's interesting reading this. Back when my sister was in highschool Her Asian friends stopped talking to her because they believed she got into Harvard because of affirmative action. Keep in mind that all of them were in the top ten percent of there class. They all had high gpas, and they all were in plenty of extra activities. But my sister got a 34 out of 36, on the ACT. And she was also from a first generation college educated family(my parents were the first out of each extended family to go to college, and they were the only that graduated). Her asian friends got relatively high scores on act, 28 etc. But all things in comparison my sister had the highest score out of all them. She was the only one that got accepted, though they all applied. while at Harvard she discovered a myth. The majority of black students that went to Harvard, were African(not black american) and most were from affluent upper middle class areas, and all of them had gone to good schools and did well in their respective high schools. Only a very small percentage, were actually black american students that actually fit the stereotype: working class, went to a crappy high school, not a very high GPA, etc. She affirmed that the majority of students fit the same mold regardless of race: high gpa, competitive act/sat score, affluent, come from educated background, went to very good high schools, etc. A tiny tiny percent did not come from this background and represented the usual stereotypes touted off about black AA beneficiaries.
That's not to say that AA doesnt happen the way the guy in the op alleged but that I think cases like his arent the norm. I think most schools have quotas of how much they might accept from certain groups(as far as race, gender, class, etc) but they typically will accept individuals that reflect the rest of the student body in terms of grades, test scores, competiveness, etc. And the individuals that are below the bar are usually a small percentage. The percentage might comprise of individuals that are black or Hispanic, etc, but even in their cases it's most likely a smaller group of individuals that got in on the sole basis of race- but the majority of students even those that are black have to meet the same competitive admission criteria as other groups. So being black does not guarantee one will get in to a college. And those schools that do make those allowances and overlook other criteria on the basis of race, aren't doing it for every black or brown person that goes to the school. The majority will still have the same expectations that they will have to meet if they want to get in.
It's interesting reading this. Back when my sister was in highschool Her Asian friends stopped talking to her because they believed she got into Harvard because of affirmative action. Keep in mind that all of them were in the top ten percent of there class. They all had high gpas, and they all were in plenty of extra activities. But my sister got a 34 out of 36, on the ACT. And she was also from a first generation college educated family(my parents were the first out of each extended family to go to college, and they were the only that graduated). Her asian friends got relatively high scores on act, 28 etc. But all things in comparison my sister had the highest score out of all them. She was the only one that got accepted, though they all applied. while at Harvard she discovered a myth. The majority of black students that went to Harvard, were African(not black american) and most were from affluent upper middle class areas, and all of them had gone to good schools and did well in their respective high schools. Only a very small percentage, were actually black american students that actually fit the stereotype: working class, went to a crappy high school, not a very high GPA, etc. She affirmed that the majority of students fit the same mold regardless of race: high gpa, competitive act/sat score, affluent, come from educated background, went to very good high schools, etc. A tiny tiny percent did not come from this background and represented the usual stereotypes touted off about black AA beneficiaries.
That's not to say that AA doesnt happen the way the guy in the op alleged but that I think cases like his arent the norm. I think most schools have quotas of how much they might accept from certain groups(as far as race, gender, class, etc) but they typically will accept individuals that reflect the rest of the student body in terms of grades, test scores, competiveness, etc. And the individuals that are below the bar are usually a small percentage. The percentage might comprise of individuals that are black or Hispanic, etc, but even in their cases it's most likely a smaller group of individuals that got in on the sole basis of race. The majority of students even those that are black have to meet the same competitive admission criteria as other groups.
Good for your sister, may the best survive. This is what it supposes to be. just proved AA is not necessary then. Get rid of AA, no one complains.
It's interesting reading this. Back when my sister was in highschool Her Asian friends stopped talking to her because they believed she got into Harvard because of affirmative action. Keep in mind that all of them were in the top ten percent of there class. They all had high gpas, and they all were in plenty of extra activities. But my sister got a 34 out of 36, on the ACT. And she was also from a first generation college educated family(my parents were the first out of each extended family to go to college, and they were the only that graduated). Her asian friends got relatively high scores on act, 28 etc. But all things in comparison my sister had the highest score out of all them. She was the only one that got accepted, though they all applied. while at Harvard she discovered a myth. The majority of black students that went to Harvard, were African(not black american) and most were from affluent upper middle class areas, and all of them had gone to good schools and did well in their respective high schools. Only a very small percentage, were actually black american students that actually fit the stereotype: working class, went to a crappy high school, not a very high GPA, etc. She affirmed that the majority of students fit the same mold regardless of race: high gpa, competitive act/sat score, affluent, come from educated background, went to very good high schools, etc. A tiny tiny percent did not come from this background and represented the usual stereotypes touted off about black AA beneficiaries.
That's not to say that AA doesnt happen the way the guy in the op alleged but that I think cases like his arent the norm. I think most schools have quotas of how much they might accept from certain groups(as far as race, gender, class, etc) but they typically will accept individuals that reflect the rest of the student body in terms of grades, test scores, competiveness, etc. And the individuals that are below the bar are usually a small percentage. The percentage might comprise of individuals that are black or Hispanic, etc, but even in their cases it's most likely a smaller group of individuals that got in on the sole basis of race- but the majority of students even those that are black have to meet the same competitive admission criteria as other groups. So being black does not guarantee one will get in to a college. And those schools that do make those allowances and overlook other criteria on the basis of race, aren't doing it for every black or brown person that goes to the school. The majority will still have the same expectations that they will have to meet if they want to get in.
First, a 28 ACT is not a relatively high score when applying to an Ivy/Top 20 school. Not even close - so I'm not surprised at all those kids didn't get in. (I don't know if you mention that your parents were the first generation to get a college degree because you think that's a hook in admissions - it's not. If the STUDENT would be first generation to attend college, that would be a hook.)
Second, this thread is talking about med school admissions - and it's a fact that African Americans (as well as Hispanics to a certain extent) have a better chance of acceptance with far lower stats than Asians.
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