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Funny you'd bring that up--the greatest known mass rape in history was of German women by the Red Army in just a few months of 1945--between 1 and 2 million. One of the many little facts about that war that has gone down the memory hole.
Are you saying that Muslim Migrants are turning Europe into an end of WWII-like cataclysm of rape and pillage?
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Originally Posted by northstar1975
And we take rape so seriously in the U.S. that even "statutory rape" yields prison terms measured in decades (which it does not in Europe.) But guess what? Rape still happens in the U.S. It happens a lot. 80 or 90 thousand times a year.
All this is irrelevant to the point, which is that criminal biker thugs are terrorizing many innocent people because of the misconduct of a few. Not acceptable in any way.
Are you seriously not able to grasp the concept that in many Muslim countries rape is tacitly endorsed by the laws of the land (Sharia)?
Me: Nazi Germany committed unspeakable widespread atrocities on Jewish people on a scale that hadn't been seen before in Europe. Millions were killed and the laws and culture of the land enabled it.
I didn't specify "gathering." I was pointing out that statistical inevitability is not a defense of anything, or even a mitigation of it. Among 100,000 young men of any country chosen at random, some of them will be rapists. Some others will be racists. That doesn't mean anything.
Percentages matter. If 1% of one group and 10% of another group or rapists the group with 1% is preferable. I do not defend the biker's gangs actions but I do see it as inevitable given the conflicting cultures which is a direct result of multiculturalism.
But none of that and nothing else excuses the vigilantes.
The reason vigilantism is likely to be a growing trend in Europe is pretty simple: The people who should be protecting their own citizens ... aren't. Vigilantism is just the natural outcome when people are angry and scared and don't think their government/law enforcement will help them.
Now whether vigilantism is good and proper and right? When mob rules reigns, bad things happen. Innocent people get smashed. No, not particularly moral or good. But it's a failing by the leaders of these nations. By trying so hard to be hyper-politically-correct, they ignore bad behavior on a massive scale. So they are ultimately to blame for the resulting violent backlash.
There is never any excuse for blaming, shaming and silencing the victims of rape and sexual assault. I hope Germany and the rest of Europe learns their less here: There is never any excuse for covering up such things. They are always wrong and should never be tolerated.
I'm against broadly attacking all Muslims, but it is quite true that the culture they came from is very much a, "She was dressed like a *****! She was asking for it! She deserved to get raped!" kind of culture. Have a conversation with any Muslim about why women must be covered to such an extent and they'll tell you, "It's for their protection." They are a culture that actively teaches boys and men, "You just can't help yourselves and because you can't help yourselves, women must be covered and must not be allowed to go out in public alone." It's exactly the same wrong-headed misogynistic crap we've been trying to root out of western civilization for decades.
Now a bunch of "house guests" are showing up and trying to tell everyone we have to turn back the clock and do it their way, or else.
This is simply what happens when you throw two entirely-different-in-every-way cultures together and expect kumbaya to reign. The cultural 'enrichment' that so many try to pass off as a good thing that everything benefits and thrives from just isn't always the case.
Read 'Infidel' by Ayaan Hirsi Ali for an extremely eye-opening view from a former Muslim woman. She isn't interested in maintaining a stance pleasing to the politically correct crowd. She speaks of her own life experience and from her heart. It's not a pretty picture of peace and love. Muslims, even moderate, have a really disjointed view of equality of the sexes. Period.
Ultimately, they can choose to be better. They just didn't.
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