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Old 01-05-2016, 12:25 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by Fox Terrier View Post
Not true. I don't know about Holmes, but Adam Lanza stole his mother's guns. He did not go through a background check.
So... doing a more extensive background check on him would have made no difference. Just like many of us are saying.
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Old 01-05-2016, 12:25 PM
 
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Not true. I don't know about Holmes, but Adam Lanza stole his mother's guns. He did not go through a background check.

Of course. But the guns were purchased by his mother who passed background checks. Stolen guns is a whole different matter.
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Old 01-05-2016, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Not true. I don't know about Holmes, but Adam Lanza stole his mother's guns. He did not go through a background check.
And still in your example, the expanded background checks would have absolutely no effect.
The executive actions are still biased against the legal owners, not criminals. If laws meant anything, then Lanza wouldn't have taken the guns as stealing is also against the law.
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Old 01-05-2016, 12:26 PM
 
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How so?
Already answered.
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Old 01-05-2016, 12:28 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Yes, I did. Automobiles are more deadly, both in sheer numbers AND in statistical proportion. There are no restrictions on who can own an automobile. Even kids can own them. And owning an automobile isn't even a Constitutional Right that shall not be infringed.
My question had nothing to do with automobiles.

My question was 'do you think that legally insane people or people with violent criminal backgrounds should be able to obtain weapons'.

You didn't answer that.
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Old 01-05-2016, 12:28 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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If Obama wants to stop gun deaths, put gang task forces into Chicago, Detroit etc., where the majority are shot.


Nothing will stop the madness in Chicago, or Detroit all the gun laws in the book, will not stop that madness.


Ya think criminals and gang members play by the book boy are you wrong.
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Old 01-05-2016, 12:30 PM
 
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Relax.

If you can pass the background check, nothing changes for you.



Conservo #1: “Obama thinks he’s a king. He just ignores congress and tramples the constitution!â€

Conservo #2: “Obama is in way over his head. He’s a weakling and has no executive experience. The world laughs at the USA!â€

Conservo #1; “No! He’s a tyrant!â€

Conservo #2: “No! He’s a wimp!â€

The Obamaphobic right should hold a convention and come up with a consistent position on the president and then have Limpbaugh inform all members.

Carry on.



I don't see any inconsistencies in the above statements. Obama does ignore the Constitution and he is has no executive experience. America has become a laughing stock because of him. None of those statements are untrue and none of those statements are in conflict with one another.

Obama is acting like a tyrant in that he is bypassing the Constitution and acting unilaterally to enact laws without Congress. Obama is a wimp (I prefer feckless) in that he has done nothing to show strength against the threats by ISIS, he lost the advantages that our soldiers earned in Iraq. He released 5 terrorists in trade of a defector. He entered into an agreement with Iran to give Iran nuclear capabilities without Congress (again, against the Constitution) and that has resulted in Saudi Arabia now posturing against Iran. He bragged about the "Arab Spring" in Egypt, which has led to the destabilization of the Middle East. He has spied on our Israeli allies, given classified information about Israel to Iran, and has been pwned by Putin with regard to Syria.

All in all, I would say your definition of "Obamaphobia" is in reality a factual description of the feckless and Constitutionally ignorant resident in the White House.
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Old 01-05-2016, 12:31 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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More onerous background check. Limits on buying guns from a private owner much like people buy automobiles from a private owner every day. And automobiles are more deadly.
Did Obama state some kind of limit to the number of guns a person can own? I missed that...
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Old 01-05-2016, 12:32 PM
 
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The 2nd amendment says no background checks? I think not.
Actually, it does. "Shall not be infringed" means obstacles to owning a weapon. Since a background check implies that getting a gun can be denied, it does say that.

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Old 01-05-2016, 12:33 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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How can you say this? All the executive order does is require background checks on gun show sales by people who sell guns for a business. As the statistics frequently bare out, these aren't the guns that are used in crimes (and especially not the crimes that Obama is using as the basis for this action).
How can anyone know that? No one is keeping a record of what guns were sold to whom at those shows.
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