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Old 06-16-2016, 06:55 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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1) Those studies cold-call random houses. If I called you and said, "Hi, do you have easily stolen valuables over $1,000 in your home?" would you answer correctly? Same here. There are ~400,000,000 guns in the US today. For some reason I don't see the average gun-owning household having 10+ guns in them.

2) The "video game airsofters" aren't buying bolt action rifles. They are the ones buying the AR15!!! Between the video gamers and the soldiers who want a system they are familiar with your going to see MORE AR15's.

3) By your estimation there are more gun owning households then hispanic, or asian, or indian, or black. Since they are a lower population, same rules apply to bans/restrictions, right?
"The percentage of households that have a gun has been falling pretty steadily since the 1970s, to 31% in 2014, as shown in a report this year from NORC, a social sciences research group at the University of Chicago that has been surveying Americans for decades."

"(The NORC surveys involve thousands of adult Americans and are mostly conducted via sit-down interviews that last 90 minutes or more.)"

"When you look at the adults who actually own a gun themselves, rather than those who merely live in a household that has one, the numbers are even smaller—just 22.4% of the American adults surveyed owned a gun in 2014:"

"The drop, the report accompanying the survey said, can be partially attributed to fewer Americans hunting."

Most Americans don’t own a gun, and want more gun control



But still you make good points and I concede gun ownership rates could actually be higher (but not by that much.)
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Old 06-16-2016, 07:02 PM
 
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"The percentage of households that have a gun has been falling pretty steadily since the 1970s, to 31% in 2014, as shown in a report this year from NORC, a social sciences research group at the University of Chicago that has been surveying Americans for decades."

"(The NORC surveys involve thousands of adult Americans and are mostly conducted via sit-down interviews that last 90 minutes or more.)"

"When you look at the adults who actually own a gun themselves, rather than those who merely live in a household that has one, the numbers are even smaller—just 22.4% of the American adults surveyed owned a gun in 2014:"

"The drop, the report accompanying the survey said, can be partially attributed to fewer Americans hunting."

Most Americans don’t own a gun, and want more gun control



But still you make good points and I concede gun ownership rates could actually be higher (but not by that much.)
Again, you would need to have an average of 10+ guns in ever single household with a firearm. I know people that have some pretty big collections, but most gun guys I know have 4-5 average.

Majority of gun owners, according to a survey, had people owning guns for defense 48% of the time, hunting 32% of the time, target 7% then collection and other reasons filling out the rest.
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Old 06-16-2016, 07:04 PM
 
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Exactly. When Australia did their gun grab, it didn't stop mass killings, just the method used. Beatings, stabbings and being burned alive in buildings skyrocketed. The number of people killed in mass murders stayed virtually the same.
It did not.

112 murders 20 years preceeding Port Arthur

74 post Port Arthur
That is including domestic violence of Geoff Hunt who murdered his family, and shooting himself. (5 People)
It also includes the Snowtown murders, which occurred between 1992, and 1999.
Removing Snowtown, puts the number at 62.

That is 62 in 20 years.
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Old 06-16-2016, 07:08 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Ask the north Vietnamese or the afghans or most recently, ISIS.
Do you honestly believe a AR-15 or AK-47 can destroy a M1 Abrams tank?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams


Why not just admit that you were joking Trapper,
Chad.
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Old 06-17-2016, 12:35 PM
 
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Again, you would need to have an average of 10+ guns in ever single household with a firearm. I know people that have some pretty big collections, but most gun guys I know have 4-5 average.

Majority of gun owners, according to a survey, had people owning guns for defense 48% of the time, hunting 32% of the time, target 7% then collection and other reasons filling out the rest.
Now for an important question. How many of those gun owners were responsible for the majority of this nation's murders?
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Old 06-18-2016, 02:06 AM
 
Location: Seattle aka tier 3 city :)
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So you believe American citizens armed with AR-15's and AK-47's can defeat tanks, military helicopters, and fighter jets?
Gee I don't know, the Iraqi insurgents seemed to have put up a decent fight don't you think?
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Old 06-18-2016, 02:10 AM
 
Location: Seattle aka tier 3 city :)
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Do you honestly believe a AR-15 or AK-47 can destroy a M1 Abrams tank?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams


Why not just admit that you were joking Trapper,
Chad.
Again your ignorance shows you have not paid attention to recent history.
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Old 06-18-2016, 07:01 AM
 
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Whenever Obama starts on his worn out rant about gun control (while avoiding the subject of Islamic Terrorists), he avoids mentioning the Boston bombers . . . and why? Because they killed/maimed using bombs - perhaps he should start a tirade about 'bomb control'.

Obama is pathetic. It's not about gun control; what he wants is to expand his control of us - law abiding citizens and leave us defenseless. He knows terrorists will always have access to guns. His agenda is not to protect and defend the United States of America.
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Old 06-18-2016, 07:13 AM
 
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At this stage of the game it would have equal temerity to suggest that the most effective way to ban murders of people would be to ban the people and leave the freak'n guns there to rust without a soul touching the evil things that keep jumping around shooting people.

All this to and fro over firearms serves no useful purpose other than to distract from the causation.

God forbid someone invents a lethal, portable, pocketable and affordable laser pointer. All the guns get turned in but people end up killing each other with red or green light beams........ta da! Time wasted on chunks of metal only to fail to address the problem of criminal, stupid, or mentally deranged PEOPLE!
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Old 06-18-2016, 09:47 AM
 
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Now for an important question. How many of those gun owners were responsible for the majority of this nation's murders?
Considering 80% of murders are done by people who can't legally own?

Assuming a 30% ownership rate, which is laughably low in total with banned people included: 0.008%

Substituting out murders by people who are not legal gun owners: 0.0016%

By firearm it is 0.002% and 0.0004% respectively.
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