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Old 01-22-2018, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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An EO with an expiration date, placed in there by Obama himself. They're NOT legal. They have a temporary stay of deportation by "policy" only.

Let it expire. Deport them all. They can then apply to immigrate from their country of citizenship, if they wish to do so.
Again they are not going to deported. All that is being proposed is to turn them from legal to illegal.

And EOs can be extended.
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Old 01-22-2018, 12:16 PM
 
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Did you all see this BBC Story on folks who votes for Trump and the impact on their community.....specifically the immigration issue.
https://www.facebook.com/bbcnews/vid...5506268112217/
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Old 01-22-2018, 12:16 PM
 
Location: moved
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Were they Legal, they would not fear Deportation.
Isn't there such a thing as a gray area? If two people accost each other in the street, one insults the other, the second pushes the first, and the first punches the second in the face - is that assault? Is that a crime?

Immigrants - ALL immigrants, in all countries, in all times - worry about their status. That is the nature of immigration, even for political refugees who are invited to immigrate by the host government. Lack of citizenship --> worry about immigration status. How severe is that worry? Well, that's why it's a gray-area.
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Old 01-22-2018, 12:29 PM
 
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Isn't there such a thing as a gray area? If two people accost each other in the street, one insults the other, the second pushes the first, and the first punches the second in the face - is that assault? Is that a crime?

Immigrants - ALL immigrants, in all countries, in all times - worry about their status. That is the nature of immigration, even for political refugees who are invited to immigrate by the host government. Lack of citizenship --> worry about immigration status. How severe is that worry? Well, that's why it's a gray-area.
DACAs are not Immigrants. Immigrants are those who have entered into and then reside in a country legally i.e. according to the laws of the land.

You and I cannot just waltz into Ireland, Japan, or Canada and set up shop legally. We need permission.

Stop playing semantical games. These people are here illegally.

You would garner some respect if you would admit the obvious and then tout the benefits of legalizing them.
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Old 01-22-2018, 01:39 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Again they are not going to deported. All that is being proposed is to turn them from legal to illegal.
Actually, what's been proposed is to let DACA expire on all of them. That will happen in March.
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Old 01-22-2018, 01:42 PM
 
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Actually, what's been proposed is to let DACA expire on all of them. That will happen in March.

I believe they will gain legal status, sooner or later. However, I refuse to indulge in this fiction that they are somehow Legal Immigrants.

If people believe these Illegals should be made Legal, then they should make their case without resorting to outright fiction. I may not agree, but would appreciate the honesty.
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Old 01-22-2018, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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It took 639 posts before Godwin's Law reared its tired head.

And oh, the irony!

http://www.city-data.com/forum/40613975-post143.html

http://www.city-data.com/forum/32777832-post49.html
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Old 01-22-2018, 02:01 PM
 
Location: 57
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DACAs are not Immigrants. Immigrants are those who have entered into and then reside in a country legally i.e. according to the laws of the land.

You and I cannot just waltz into Ireland, Japan, or Canada and set up shop legally. We need permission.

Stop playing semantical games. These people are here illegally.

You would garner some respect if you would admit the obvious and then tout the benefits of legalizing them.
Immigrants are immigrants, period. Legality is a gray area enforced by those holding all the cards over the head of the immigrant; as in "poof-you are legal" and "slam-you're illegal." But the immigrant who crosssed a border is still an immigrant, no matter how or under what circumstances he came here.
Simple minded people who can't empathize with the plight of others stuck between a rock and a hard place seem to be the majority who scream "illegal" at the drop of a hat. You have to wonder if all of these upstanding Americans never broke a law, ever, or if any of their kinfolk ever did. Hate to think THEY might be "illegal."
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Old 01-22-2018, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It took 639 posts before Godwin's Law reared its tired head.
If entering public transportation and illegally asking everyone there to produce their documents isn't reminiscent of Nazi Germany, what is? This is fascist overreach.
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Old 01-22-2018, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I'm flattered that you took the time to research my posts, solely to post an off-topic personal attack, but I really don't see how it is 'ironic.'

Because I used the term Godwin's Law in a post years ago (as you took the comments out of context, I have no idea what the discussion or year was)?

Why is it ironic to make a comparison to Nazis when warranted as Trump's gestapo is using the same tactics as the Nazis did?
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