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If you look at the people, the arch, and the flags on top of the arch, you can tell that the flags aren't very tall in relation to the arch and that people being there makes that at least slightly easier to discern. I think it's plausible that she (the detained French girl) wouldn't have been able to see the flags from the beach (I wonder how close Google has 'stick figure drop' footage to that area from the perspective of the beach ...I haven't attempted to look at that).
Sure, it's plausible. But you'll also note she was running on a nice scenic beach next to a forested area then the trees fall away, a train track appears, the beach becomes rocky and narrow, and the interstate noise would come into play. Why keep running that direction? It sounds like those at the scene that day didn't view it as such an "innocent mistake".
There is no excuse under the sun in this day of instant communications that justifies her being detained for two weeks. Especially an excuse that attempts to deflect blame for common bully behaviour onto the Canadian side of the border.
Trying to justify this is just desperation.
How about you share your conspiracy theory with us. We are out to put a pretty young woman through emotional trauma for what? To spite the French for the Paris accord? To teach Trudeau not to criticize Trump?
actually you simply do away with that border. Let Canadians crossover and live in the US and US citizens cross over and live in Canada. No big risk to either country. US citizens and Canadians are mostly interchangeable. Few would have any problem moving to the other side.
Have to work out some messy details like medical care. But mostly not a big deal.
Like the EU. Except the EU has discovered the flaw in that is that you are only as strong as the weakest link, your national security is only as strong as the reciprocal nations with the weakest security. You would need all nations to agree on admission requirements and enforcement.
Sorry we are not talking about interior checkpoints where documents are not even required. There is nothing to waive. And yes, some of those saying agents should have let her run back is the same as letting her go while inside the US. And I do agree that they might have handled this all with less "officialdom" but apparently you are incapable of considering the possibility that they might have but decided not to because of her statements and actions. They may not be as inclined to believe it was an "innocent mistake".
Oh really? They deliberately CHOSE to ratchet it up to Devcon 4. Can you suggest what malicious intent was displayed by the wearing of a jogging outfit and her turning around to retrace her footsteps. Did she plant an IED on the beach or something?
We'll agree on the overbearing officialdom displayed but disagree on the continuance of that when it extended into two full weeks of detention for her.
Now how is it Canadian border agents have no problem letting a few errant rafters return without detention and those that actually ended up on Canadian shores are warmed up, fed and returned the same day? When was the last time you took your passport rafting while wearing a bathing suit and being within the proximity of a foreign county's border? When was the last time you made any kind of sense while being drunk? How come Canada's border agents didn't default to KGB mode? Same border.
Are you suggesting that over 1500 Americans pose a lesser threat to Canadians then one teeny little French girl in a jogging outfit present to Americans?
There is no other explanation other than stupidity and arrogance getting in the way of good old fashioned common sense. 1500 Americans mistakenly cross over in one event and they get treated fairly. 1 tourist from France visiting Canada does the same thing and gets detained for two weeks.
It's glaringly obvious the two countries have a completely different approach to the respect for people.
Let's just leave it at that and agree to disagree.
actually you simply do away with that border. Let Canadians crossover and live in the US and US citizens cross over and live in Canada. No big risk to either country. US citizens and Canadians are mostly interchangeable. Few would have any problem moving to the other side.
Have to work out some messy details like medical care. But mostly not a big deal.
Actually very big deal.
Canada's leading newspaper identifies it clearly - ethnic enclaves and lack of integration. Canada is a mosaic and the US is a melting pot. Huge difference in attitudes and people. I respect Canada enough to know it is not the US. Canadians should live their lives peacefully in Canada. If they want to come to the U.S. come to a border checkpoint.
So what are you saying? That they should put up a physical wall in the middle of that street shown in the video? What about the areas where the street doesn't even match the actual border?
The border should be clearly defined everywhere and should match the actual border. Yes, it's nice and quaint that the border runs through some building. It's an individual case and not the rule.
Everywhere else put up some sort of a physical barrier, that is appropriate for the circumstances. It does not need to be a 12 foot high wall. A railing is ok. But let's define where the border is; it's a sign of mutual respect. Good fences make good neighbors, I recall Frost writing.
Any person who lives near a National Border has a duty to know where it is located and to avoid crossing it without permission. Nations have the right to protect themselves from foreign trespassers.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
I agree with this. However, being detained for over 2 weeks sounds excessive. I suppose this is a possible case of legit victim-blaming (I don't apply this to sex crimes though). I think the victim and perp both share some fault.
The border should be clearly defined everywhere and should match the actual border. Yes, it's nice and quaint that the border runs through some building. It's an individual case and not the rule.
Everywhere else put up some sort of a physical barrier, that is appropriate for the circumstances. It does not need to be a 12 foot high wall. A railing is ok. But let's define where the border is; it's a sign of mutual respect. Good fences make good neighbors, I recall Frost writing.
'What kind of nonsense are you going on about? "Everywhere else" does no such thing. You can drive from the Netherlands into Germany and not even realize you've crossed a border and one of those countries invaded the other and damned near starved them all to death. There are any number of countries in Europe that you don't even slow down when crossing the line. Gads!
You're talking about a border between two allied nations who share an entire continent and huge amounts of trade with Canada being the single biggest customer for 38 U.S. States.
lol now you want a wall between the US and Canada, maybe a big plastic dome over the entire US would help alleviate your fear of invaders?
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...I haven't attempted to look at that).
