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Old 06-29-2018, 10:05 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Tony Perkins is an incredibly influential character on the religious right. He speaks at many conservative events and is a heavy opponent of LGBTQ rights in all areas (not just marriage) and proponent of conversion therapy. His "Family Research Council" is an offshot of James Dobson's "Focus on the Family."

While I agree that not everyone who voted for Trump is anti-gay, most GOP politicians won't think twice about pandering to their virulently homophobic base.

Dark times are coming in this country for those who aren't white, straight, male, and fundamentalist Christian.

 
Old 06-29-2018, 10:08 AM
 
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The ruling was fundamentally flawed and must be overturned. Same with Roe. Both of these issues should be legislated by the states, which is what will happen when they are overturned.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 10:12 AM
 
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The ruling was fundamentally flawed and must be overturned. Same with Roe. Both of these issues should be legislated by the states, which is what will happen when they are overturned.

Why, just because the Baptists are offended by it? Why should the Baptist definition of marriage be imposed on everyone? That's what will happen in most Southern states. Without Obergefell, Oklahoma for instance would probably never have legal gay marriage. There's also the issue of whether or not marriages performed in states that allow same-sex marriage should be recognized in those that don't.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 10:14 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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why do you continually babble about Baptists? no one even mentioned Baptists
 
Old 06-29-2018, 10:21 AM
 
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Remember Peter Thiel speaking at the 2016 GOP convention? Trump is NYC boy, he doesn't a damn about same-sex marriages.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 10:23 AM
 
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I really don't think the republicans will go after this anytime soon. There are plenty of other issues that need to be address and there is no reason to move this to the front of the line.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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why do you continually babble about Baptists? no one even mentioned Baptists
He was traumatized by them as a child and that has greatly effected his perspective on many issues.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 10:30 AM
 
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Never heard of him. Seems these "influential" people are people few have actually ever heard about.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 10:31 AM
 
Location: My House
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The ruling was fundamentally flawed and must be overturned. Same with Roe. Both of these issues should be legislated by the states, which is what will happen when they are overturned.
Why?

If marriage was what it was back in the 1800s, I would agree with you, but it is a complex intermingling of taxable assets and it needed to be decided at the federal level.

I guess you could say that each state could have the choice to issue licenses that referred to marriages or civil unions if their religious citizens wanted to get technical about it, but denying the rights of homosexuals to enter unions that have tax, healthcare, and rights of survivors/estates implications is problematic.

You would also have to have states agreeing to recognize marriages from other states (again, due to taxes and financial/estate reasons, as well as guardianship of minor children and the infirm) and then, people who lived in judgmental states that wanted to call them civil unions instead of marriages would see their residents marrying in states that aren't all in everyone's business and returning home to their state that wants to call it a civil union to avoid riling the Bible thumpers and find out that they have to call those marriages marriages anyway.

So, why even mess with it? They are two adults, consenting, entering a partnership based (presumably) on love, attraction, and the mingling of assets... possibly the raising of children.

And, with all the other problems in the world, why try to create new ones over something that is intended to be loving and caring?

It just makes opponents look like hateful people.
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Old 06-29-2018, 10:35 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Same-sex marriage affects such a tiny percentage of Americans that most people are simply not concerned with the issue.

The ruling should be left as is.
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