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Walking everywhere in inclimant weather sucks, living with roomates sucks. Thats why.
No one is owed a lifestyle that doesn't "suck." If one doesn't wish to live a lifestyle that "sucks," acquire better skills and make oneself more valuable to employers. And make better life and financial decisions.
Get roommates. Those earning low wages shouldn't even have a car. Maintenance/insurance/etc. is an expense they cannot afford. Use an alternate means of transportation. The only one making excuses is you and your ilk.
This is spoken by someone who has no clue what they are talking about.... There is no such thing as "alternate means of transportation" in a lot of places. At least not viable alternate means. Take my former city (Memphis) for example. If you had to rely on MATA to get everywhere, including to the grocery store, and getting kids places (if you have them), you would never get anywhere. It is slow and inefficient, and does not run to all places at all times.
You either have very limited experience in the real world (meaning you have never actually had to struggle), or you simply hate poor people for some reason. Because anyone who is "Informed" would know that relying on public transport is simply not viable in a large portion of this country. Neither is walking or biking. In large swaths of the US, the ONLY way to get around reliably is a vehicle, like the county I currently live in. There is NO public transportation other than BRATS, which is nothing like an actual bus service. Everything is too spaced out to walk, and too congested or dangerous to bike (for the most part).
And don't throw no "then they should move closer!" BS, since in your scenario, these people are so poor they shouldn't even have a vehicle, so moving would not be a viable option.
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No one is owed a lifestyle that doesn't "suck." If one doesn't wish to live a lifestyle that "sucks," acquire better skills and make oneself more valuable to employers. And make better life and financial decisions.
And if everyone did this (acquire better skills, go back to school, etc), then you would have greatly overqualified people at every menial job. The problem would simply continue, just with more educated or skillful people. I don't know the answer, but the right's "JuSt GeT bEtTeR!" attitude isn't it.
This is spoken by someone who has no clue what they are talking about....
BS. I was poor in my early 20s. I no longer am.
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There is no such thing as "alternate means of transportation" in a lot of places.
Indeed, there is. Walk. Bicycle.
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At least not viable alternate means. Take my former city (Memphis) for example. If you had to rely on MATA to get everywhere, including to the grocery store, and getting kids places (if you have them), you would never get anywhere.
Low-income people having kids is a horrendously irresponsible life choice.
This is spoken by someone who has no clue what they are talking about.... There is no such thing as "alternate means of transportation" in a lot of places. At least not viable alternate means. Take my former city (Memphis) for example. If you had to rely on MATA to get everywhere, including to the grocery store, and getting kids places (if you have them), you would never get anywhere. It is slow and inefficient, and does not run to all places at all times.
You either have very limited experience in the real world (meaning you have never actually had to struggle), or you simply hate poor people for some reason. Because anyone who is "Informed" would know that relying on public transport is simply not viable in a large portion of this country. Neither is walking or biking. In large swaths of the US, the ONLY way to get around reliably is a vehicle, like the county I currently live in. There is NO public transportation other than BRATS, which is nothing like an actual bus service. Everything is too spaced out to walk, and too congested or dangerous to bike (for the most part).
And don't throw no "then they should move closer!" BS, since in your scenario, these people are so poor they shouldn't even have a vehicle, so moving would not be a viable option.
And if everyone did this (acquire better skills, go back to school, etc), then you would have greatly overqualified people at every menial job. The problem would simply continue, just with more educated or skillful people. I don't know the answer, but the right's "JuSt GeT bEtTeR!" attitude isn't it.
Just get better is correct, and is the only moral choice. Because you stealing from others is just not going to fly. And make no mistake about it. You are advocating taking stuff based on what you call "need", and that is the definition of theft.
Walking everywhere in inclimant weather sucks, living with roomates sucks. Thats why.
Too effing bad. Either become valuable to others, or live with roomates and walk to work and have a sucky life. You don't get to have a non-sucky life at the expense of others who outperform you. You up your game, you don't drag down others by stealing what you choose not to earn. And it is a big fat choice to stay worthless and low value. It doesn't take much at all to arrive at a decent, pleasant, conservative lifestyle. Just make a few good decisions, better yourself, no illegitimate kids, no drugs, do some exercise, get some sleep. Basic. Very, very basic. And then you get to live a pleasant life with basic necessities. But if you want more? Now, you have to make yourself valuable. It's a choice, and an effort. And you have no right to any of it, you must earn it, or not have it. Pick one.
Bully for you. I grew up poor, and was poor for my college years, and several years afterwards. I no longer am either. I can still understand the plight though, but obviously you now think you are better than those who are struggling. Not to mention how much more difficult it is now, to get out of poor conditions, than it was even 10-15 years ago. Not sure of your age, but if you are over about 30, you had it easier than someone does nowadays, and think otherwise is ignorant as hell.
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Indeed, there is. Walk. Bicycle.
Obviously didn't read or comprehend what I posted, at all. That simply is not viable in large portions of the country, and obviously you never had to do something similar in one of those areas, since you think it is.
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Low-income people having kids is a horrendously irresponsible life choice.
And nice job pulling the SINGLE line about kids out, and making the half your post about that. It isn't just people with kids who can't do these things, and if you were as "Informed" as you think you are, you would know this. Instead, you are a walking billboard for right wing lunacy, that simply blames poor people for being poor, instead of wanting to address the actual issue, which is things like lack of quality education (or super expensive education), and greed (mostly those two IMO).
What if someone has kids, and a good paying job, and then gets laid off, and can't find a job making more than $10 an hour? You want them to just sell all their possessions, move in with some roommates, and start biking to the Wal-Mart and their $10 an hour job? GTFO with that stupidity.
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You, like many, are full of lame excuses.
And you are full of hot air. These are not excuses I am making. They are real world examples of why you are flat wrong.
To bad, the govt is like a giant union. Pay or go to another country.
You making baseless moral arguments is not going to get smart people to either sign the indentured servitude contract or starve. They will compel the ownership class to pay or else loose the right to operate.
Its that simple. Dont like the law of the land dont start a buisenss or do a sole proprietorship.
People are fed up with "the free market". It is resulting in rampant poverty. If your circuitous argument leads to mass poverty then its wrong, it does not matter how nice it sounds.
I personally just think we should go back to the 90% tax rates over about 3 million annual if you dont meet certian hiring and wage criteria and buisenss reinvestment.
You are advocating theft, you are advocating for personal incompetence, you are advocating for uselessness, you are advocating for laziness. You are advocating for staying low quality. You are advocating for taking up space on the planet as a biological waste product. Waiting to die, achieving nothing, but vampiring and sucking off others with your 90% tax rate. You are advocating for immorality.
Where is the pride? Where is the value in your life? You should be ashamed of yourself for proselytizing such a loser mentality.
Just get better is correct, and is the only moral choice. Because you stealing from others is just not going to fly. And make no mistake about it. You are advocating taking stuff based on what you call "need", and that is the definition of theft.
Paying a wage that allows people to eat and live is the moral choice Marc. Your precious business owners are the ones making a choice that is not moral.
So answer this then.... If everyone who was poor suddenly decided to go back to school, or gain some more skills (whatever that may mean), what would happen to all these people who now have these degrees and skills, with no experience, and nowhere to use them? What happens to those who do make it, and take the job from someone else with a degree and skills? They are still stuck flipping burgers, they just now have a degree or skills that aren't being used. My point was, and still is, that it just isn't that simple, and would take a simpleton to think it is.
You also keep saying "you", like I am one of those people. I am a successful woman who has no issues with needing better pay, and I am certainly not "taking stuff" or "stealing from others". So stop being so dramatic, and take you meds.
What if someone has kids, and a good paying job, and then gets laid off, and can't find a job making more than $10 an hour? You want them to just sell all their possessions, move in with some roommates, and start biking to the Wal-Mart and their $10 an hour job? GTFO with that stupidity.
Why wasn't there savings before having kids? Why isn't there 2-3 years of income in the bank designed to deal with a break in employment? Why isn't there a savings program in place to handle emergencies? This is bad planning. If this scenario happens, it is the fault of he who did not plan and execute.
Paying a wage that allows people to eat and live is the moral choice Marc. Your precious business owners are the ones making a choice that is not moral.
So answer this then.... If everyone who was poor suddenly decided to go back to school, or gain some more skills (whatever that may mean), what would happen to all these people who now have these degrees and skills, with no experience, and nowhere to use them? What happens to those who do make it, and take the job from someone else with a degree and skills? They are still stuck flipping burgers, they just now have a degree or skills that aren't being used. My point was, and still is, that it just isn't that simple, and would take a simpleton to think it is.
You also keep saying "you", like I am one of those people. I am a successful woman who has no issues with needing better pay, and I am certainly not "taking stuff" or "stealing from others". So stop being so dramatic, and take you meds.
If everyone betters themselves, society moves forward and advances. New needs arise. New businesses form. New inventions create new demand. There is infinite need for better and better people. Infinite.
In 20 years, there will be no more burger flippers. Period. And that will be a good thing. The new low level loser job will be something better and easier than flipping burgers. That's how a free society evolves.
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