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Americas healthcare costs are so high because insurance companies and drug companies give our politicians huge sums of campaign money, and then those corporations are allowed to charge outrageous fees for insurance and drugs.
While I do agree that the prices for drugs is one of the major issues, I stand by my statement that a healthcare system like what is in the Netherlands cost less for some, not all. Oh and our POTUS is trying to do something about the drug prices. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...r-drug-prices/
The price they pay for actually paying in their share to NATO and the UN.
Just think what would happen, if Trump canned the Marshall Plan completely, removing all foreign aid to all nations????
Would they all be in deep doo-doo
Haar! Are we getting a little desperate now sunshine?
Here's a question for the poster you're dealing with Nat: Given the degree of familiarity with the American healthcare system that Canadians have through long term tourism involving thousands of us wintering each winter in their country; why do you think there are any number of threads indeed vociferous debate about the American healthcare system and it's abysmal performance while virtually none of that exists regarding Canada's by Canadians?
It's a safe bet that there are millions more Canadians with up-close and personal knowledge of the American system through decades of travel there.
What we get from Americans are these anecdotal fantasies that serve no relevant purpose whatsoever. All you have to do on these very boards is segue up to the Health Insurance section of the HEALTH boards to get all the horror stories one could possibly want to read serving very handily to contradicting their nonsense.
Don't be a whimp Americans, just go on up there and peruse the archives going back to the start of CityData...it's an eye-opener.
Finally; why aren't Canadians clamouring in the millions to change to what the U.S. has instead of millions of Americans clamouring to change to what Canada has ...single payer?
I'll tell you why....because we're not frikken stupid, that's why.
You're right, we aren't stupid. We even understand where our health system can be improved, and people demand it. We aren't white-washing it and saying it's perfect, but it's a system that we now works overall and we don't want a system like the US.
Same here. I have doubts when an American posts stuff like, "My cousin's brother knows a neighbor who knows a Canadian that ...."
If you've never experienced it, then you cannot comment on it.
I remember an old friend, Suzanne. Who got brain cancer. And who went through just about every procedure that modern medical science had. When she had been irriadiated numerous times, and given every drug in the chemotherapy arsenal, and was about to die, she looked at me as a friend, and asked for a pack of DuMaurier king size cigarettes.
I said, "Suzanne, you can't smoke those here in the hospital."
She said, "Chevy, I'm dying. I'm gone in a week or so. What are they going to do to me for breaking a non-smoking rule? I'm f***ing dead by Friday!" Suzanne was always one to call a spade a goddam shovel.
I got her a pack of DuMauriers. She told the doctors and nurses to f*** off; she was dying on her own terms, which included cigarettes. Her ashtray was a bedpan, and she.... and she ....
The price they pay for actually paying in their share to NATO and the UN.
Just think what would happen, if Trump canned the Marshall Plan completely, removing all foreign aid to all nations????
Would they all be in deep doo-doo
"On average, other wealthy countries spend about half as much per person on health than the U.S. spends"
"Total health expenditures per capita, U.S. dollars, PPP adjusted, 2016,"
United States- $10,348
Switzerland- $7,919
Netherlands- $5,385
Japan- $4,519
United Kingdom- $4,192
That's a skewed measure.
The real cost of health care per person in Euros is here:
You can find that on Eurostat database.
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Originally Posted by chad3
Americas healthcare costs are so high because insurance companies and drug companies give our politicians huge sums of campaign money, and then those corporations are allowed to charge outrageous fees for insurance and drugs.
That is not why.
The cost of health plan coverage is solely dependent on the cost of medical care.
Lower the cost of medical care and the cost of health plan coverage decreases.
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Originally Posted by Northman83
And they get better results.
Really?
The 5-year survival rate for the 4 most common cancers is appalling in Britain. Compare:
Breast Cancer: UK 69.7% while US leads the World at 83.9% If you're a woman, you want to be in the US, not the UK.
Colorectal Men: UK 42.3% while US leads the World at 59.1%
Colorectal Women: 44.7% while US leads the World at 60.2%
Prostate: UK 51.1% while US leads the World at 91.9% If you're a man, you want to be in the US, not the UK, because your survival chances are 1.7x better than in the UK.
The 5-year survival rate for the 4 most common cancers is appalling in Britain. Compare:
Breast Cancer: UK 69.7% while US leads the World at 83.9% If you're a woman, you want to be in the US, not the UK.
Colorectal Men: UK 42.3% while US leads the World at 59.1%
Colorectal Women: 44.7% while US leads the World at 60.2%
Prostate: UK 51.1% while US leads the World at 91.9% If you're a man, you want to be in the US, not the UK, because your survival chances are 1.7x better than in the UK.
Please explain how the NHS is better.
Firstly you are a lot les likely to be diagnosed with cancer in the first place in the UK, we also have lower rates of diabetes and high blood prssure, live longer and have a lower infant mortality rate.
Secondy in terms of cancer the over diagnoses and treatment of these types of cancers in the US is well documented and explained in the articles below. If you continually over-diagnose and treat that which is harmless then you are going to have a higher five year survival rate than countries that don't over diagnose and offer unnecessary treatments.
The statistics regarding five year cancer survival that many Americans constantly refer to are therefore largely meaningless in relation to many forms of cancer.
As for the spending chart you posted, Switzerland is expensive because it has a private system like the US, whilst the wealthy Scandinavian and places such as Luxembourg a just high spenders and have good systems. Norway has the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world at over $1 Trillion, (the opposite of a budget deficit) and the population of Norway is around 6 million.
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"Norway has the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world at over $1 Trillion, (the opposite of a budget deficit)"
Not exactly the opposite. The US could create funds through deficit spending, then buy the same Trillion dollar portfolio if we the people or our elected officials decided to save at the national level.
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