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Same here. I have doubts when an American posts stuff like, "My cousin's brother knows a neighbor who knows a Canadian that ...."
If you've never experienced it, then you cannot comment on it.
I remember an old friend, Suzanne. Who got brain cancer. And who went through just about every procedure that modern medical science had. When she had been irriadiated numerous times, and given every drug in the chemotherapy arsenal, and was about to die, she looked at me as a friend, and asked for a pack of DuMaurier king size cigarettes.
I said, "Suzanne, you can't smoke those here in the hospital."
She said, "Chevy, I'm dying. I'm gone in a week or so. What are they going to do to me for breaking a non-smoking rule? I'm f***ing dead by Friday!" Suzanne was always one to call a spade a goddam shovel.
I got her a pack of DuMauriers. She told the doctors and nurses to f*** off; she was dying on her own terms, which included cigarettes. Her ashtray was a bedpan, and she.... and she ....
I can only publish number from governmental agencies, international agencies, private agencies, newspapers etc etc etc.. that has done the math, and showed that the US spends 16-17% of GDP on healthcare, while other 1st world nations, spend between 9-11% of GDP.
And they get better results.
People have CHOICE... they can CHOOSE to use a private doctor if the so want. Its how its works in almost every other 1st world nation.
I have used a private doctor. It cost 3-4 times MORE then going to my regular doctor, but I did get to spend 15min more at his office.
YOU back up YOUR CLAIMS FIRST
"I can only publish number from governmental agencies, international agencies, private agencies, newspapers etc etc etc.. that has done the math, and showed that the US spends 16-17% of GDP on healthcare, while other 1st world nations, spend between 9-11% of GDP.
And they get better results."
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Originally Posted by Northman83 My healthcare is free*
* Paid for by me, everybody else in my country, corporations, VAT, and a multitude of other taxes.
( And STILL its half the cost pr person compared to the US... and better! )
Patients who were scheduled for surgery have to find a new doctor and start the process all over. Patients who were admitted, have to be transferred to other hospitals.
These two hospitals are big hospitals and not some small medical center.
Socialist health care is failing badly.
The choice of a primary doctor has to be in a certain zip code. Good luck to people who don’t live in the best areas. You will be stuck with the government telling you who your doctor will be!
Open your eyes as socialist don’t care about you. They care about other people’s money and run it down the drain. The socialist leaders will make sure they don’t battle same plan as you or they make sure thylive in the best areas.
Amsterdam was always part of Western, good society and is now becoming a healthcare poverty society as the system is completely broke.
Long wait time for treatments and for even seeing a doctor!
Careful what you wish for. Obama praises the Dutch and German system!
Obama praises a broken system and wished that on you!
LOL..........................an Obama deflection ........that is a lie, I am surprised . Canada is doing well!
"I can only publish number from governmental agencies, international agencies, private agencies, newspapers etc etc etc.. that has done the math, and showed that the US spends 16-17% of GDP on healthcare, while other 1st world nations, spend between 9-11% of GDP.
And they get better results."
"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Northman83 My healthcare is free*
* Paid for by me, everybody else in my country, corporations, VAT, and a multitude of other taxes.
( And STILL its half the cost pr person compared to the US... and better! )
I could post 20 links.. you would not read them.
Try doing a Google search: US healthcare results vs other nations.
How do you arrive at this cost ?
"Netherlands per capita healthcare costs- $5,198" ?
It is impossible to figure out since everyone's income is different. As far as i can tell, the national insurance tax is 27%. From this chart, it looks like anyone making over 68k euro is taxed at 51%. Which includes the 27%
How is this half of what we pay here ? And don't forget the VAT of 21% on goods. 6% VAT on food, drink toiletries.
It doesn't sound value added unless you make less than 68k euro. So basically the upper income people fund the program.
Yeah...no thanks. Like i said before,our system is definitely flawed but jumping to those high tax rates to fund "healthcare for all !" , that would be a big negative.
Americas healthcare costs are so high because insurance companies and drug companies give our politicians huge sums of campaign money, and then those corporations are allowed to charge outrageous fees for insurance and drugs.
Patients who were scheduled for surgery have to find a new doctor and start the process all over. Patients who were admitted, have to be transferred to other hospitals.
These two hospitals are big hospitals and not some small medical center.
Socialist health care is failing badly.
The choice of a primary doctor has to be in a certain zip code. Good luck to people who don’t live in the best areas. You will be stuck with the government telling you who your doctor will be!
Open your eyes as socialist don’t care about you. They care about other people’s money and run it down the drain. The socialist leaders will make sure they don’t battle same plan as you or they make sure thylive in the best areas.
Amsterdam was always part of Western, good society and is now becoming a healthcare poverty society as the system is completely broke.
Long wait time for treatments and for even seeing a doctor!
Careful what you wish for. Obama praises the Dutch and German system!
Obama praises a broken system and wished that on you!
The Government ran Hospital didn't go bankrupt. The "other peoples" money ran out, to pay for it.
Downsizing.
Look at it like Sears. They have many locations, but with low revenues, they cannot pay their bills. Store closings.
The price they pay for actually paying in their share to NATO and the UN.
Just think what would happen, if Trump canned the Marshall Plan completely, removing all foreign aid to all nations????
Would they all be in deep doo-doo
Two major hospitals in Amsterdam go bankrupt! Socialist healthcare system is broke!
There would not be such thing as bankruptcy in a socialist society, because everything would be owned and operated by the government.
Privately owned for-profit corporations, even hospitals, can go bankrupt, which seems to be the case here.
It happens in US all the time. It is a part of a free market system.
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