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Patients who were scheduled for surgery have to find a new doctor and start the process all over. Patients who were admitted, have to be transferred to other hospitals.
These two hospitals are big hospitals and not some small medical center.
Socialist health care is failing badly.
The choice of a primary doctor has to be in a certain zip code. Good luck to people who don’t live in the best areas. You will be stuck with the government telling you who your doctor will be!
Open your eyes as socialist don’t care about you. They care about other people’s money and run it down the drain. The socialist leaders will make sure they don’t battle same plan as you or they make sure thylive in the best areas.
Amsterdam was always part of Western, good society and is now becoming a healthcare poverty society as the system is completely broke.
Long wait time for treatments and for even seeing a doctor!
Careful what you wish for. Obama praises the Dutch and German system!
Obama praises a broken system and wished that on you!
So what you are saying is you think Americans are too stupid to be able to avoid the same mistakes other countries make.
"Arrangements have been made to transfer the 150 patients staying at the Slotervaart hospital to other locations in Amsterdam in the next few days. Insurers have guaranteed that beds will stay open for the 200 patients in the IJsselmeer hospitals until alternatives have been found.".
There is no indication that these were large facilities. The picture on the article Show a 700+ bed hospital. But the transfer numbers are equivalent to a small community hospital or a nursing home. I'm not sure if your aware but we have annual closures of facilities this size in America all the time. We have had national chains of hospitals go bankrupt in in America (Colombia hospitals, now HCA).
Works awesome for you. You get the $9k in your salary then have to pay it back in taxes.
For the wife and I , we would go from paying $7800 in premium to an additional $27k if it is taxed at 15% ...ah, no thanks. Now if single payer can be done by only raising taxes 5-6% I might buy into that.
Bernies plan for instance would only cost me a 2.5% increase in taxes but charge corporations 6.7% , provided they offer insurance at all. For those that do work at a company that provides it, do you really think they won't pull that 6.7% out of our salary ? So now you would be hit with a 9.2% increase, you might be fine with that, I'm not.
Our current system is definitely flawed, and a form of single payer, something closer to a co-op might be the answer. Then again, a co-op type of system only works when people are paying into it and currently there are no safeguards for it's members if it runs out of money.
You ignored the part where I said there should be a sales tax to fund it. That would actually be my preference. Take advantage of people's materialism by funding everyone's healthcare.
Will note in regards to my employer that our premiums are increasing quite substantially for 2019 and it is funny to me that I actually got a small raise this year, but the increase in the healthcare premiums (and dental and vision) basically makes me make less money in 2019 than I do now.
I'd rather get the $9k and pay a sales tax for stuff I buy. It would cost less and would more equitable in regards to funding healthcare services.
And FWIW I do think a 5-10% income tax would be appropriate as well, but I'd prefer a sales tax because it would mean everyone would pay, not just "working" people. ETA: "working" in quotations because even criminals or people who work "under the table" would pay into the system as they gotta eat and clothe themselves as well.
You ignored the part where I said there should be a sales tax to fund it. That would actually be my preference. Take advantage of people's materialism by funding everyone's healthcare.
Will note in regards to my employer that our premiums are increasing quite substantially for 2019 and it is funny to me that I actually got a small raise this year, but the increase in the healthcare premiums (and dental and vision) basically makes me make less money in 2019 than I do now.
I'd rather get the $9k and pay a sales tax for stuff I buy. It would cost less and would more equitable in regards to funding healthcare services.
And FWIW I do think a 5-10% income tax would be appropriate as well, but I'd prefer a sales tax because it would mean everyone would pay, not just "working" people. ETA: "working" in quotations because even criminals or people who work "under the table" would pay into the system as they gotta eat and clothe themselves as well.
I prefer a payroll tax and employers forbidden from paying for health insurance at all. Would apply to all income part timers and full timers. 100% required E verify on employment and non citizen/ legal resident not covered.
Get rid of the law that says govt does not negotiate drug prices and require prices to be set at the median of say 5 other countries. Say Can, UK, Germany, Australia and Switz. Simplify billing with transparency requirements. Other stuff that will not happen since big pharma and big hospitals OWN congress.
You ignored the part where I said there should be a sales tax to fund it. That would actually be my preference. Take advantage of people's materialism by funding everyone's healthcare.
Will note in regards to my employer that our premiums are increasing quite substantially for 2019 and it is funny to me that I actually got a small raise this year, but the increase in the healthcare premiums (and dental and vision) basically makes me make less money in 2019 than I do now.
I'd rather get the $9k and pay a sales tax for stuff I buy. It would cost less and would more equitable in regards to funding healthcare services.
And FWIW I do think a 5-10% income tax would be appropriate as well, but I'd prefer a sales tax because it would mean everyone would pay, not just "working" people. ETA: "working" in quotations because even criminals or people who work "under the table" would pay into the system as they gotta eat and clothe themselves as well.
The sales tax does seem more fair except for in the case of a single mom that is barely making ends meet as it is. Unless the sales tax is not on items of necessity. The Netherlands seems to be the shining crown of success for those that want this, which is a good comparison, we both have unemployment rates around the same. Have you seen their corporate and personal tax rates ? They are much higher than anything we've talked about. First off , I think if we went to that extreme , it would kill the economy. It would also get corporations scrambling to offshore as much work as possible. Second, I think anything less than that extreme won't be enough to fund the program. And last, do you really believe our government could pull it off ? Highly doubtful.
I prefer a payroll tax and employers forbidden from paying for health insurance at all. Would apply to all income part timers and full timers. 100% required E verify on employment and non citizen/ legal resident not covered.
Get rid of the law that says govt does not negotiate drug prices and require prices to be set at the median of say 5 other countries. Say Can, UK, Germany, Australia and Switz. Simplify billing with transparency requirements. Other stuff that will not happen since big pharma and big hospitals OWN congress.
I like the E verify thing, I wish we could mandate that. Still though, there will be millions not covered which we still will have to pay for. Can't just kick them to the curb bleeding or sick.
"Arrangements have been made to transfer the 150 patients staying at the Slotervaart hospital to other locations in Amsterdam in the next few days. Insurers have guaranteed that beds will stay open for the 200 patients in the IJsselmeer hospitals until alternatives have been found.".
There is no indication that these were large facilities. The picture on the article Show a 700+ bed hospital. But the transfer numbers are equivalent to a small community hospital or a nursing home. I'm not sure if your aware but we have annual closures of facilities this size in America all the time. We have had national chains of hospitals go bankrupt in in America (Colombia hospitals, now HCA).
How many weeks does it take to see a medical professional in the Emergency Room?
In The Netherlands ER are only for broken bones and big accidents, heart attacks etc. Not for flu, ankle sprains, average sport injuries as that can wait for the next business day. Flu symptoms or fever has to be for at least 5 days before you even call any doctor.
Of course not everything is bad with socialist healthcare but the cost is high but since money is taken out of pay check and money deposited into the persons account, the majority is clueless about the amount the really pay.
Wait lists are long and you can’t just go to a specialist as your primary doctor has to give you a referral. If the referral is not given then you can’t go. Not your decision to make.....
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