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Old 10-26-2018, 04:53 AM
 
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How many weeks does it take to see a medical professional in the Emergency Room?

5min?


It depends on the seriousness of the injury..


My wife cut her upper right arm deep with a knife last summer on a Sunday morning.. rushed to the Emercency room, with blood running from her cut. Took two minutes from when we entered and told what happened to being looked after by two doctors.

In the waiting room there where 15+ persons waiting while we where rushed in.


This is basic Triage.. People most in need, gets help first.
Is this uncommon other places?
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Old 10-26-2018, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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This could never happen in a capitalist system.


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Industry M&A may be no savior as the pace of hospital closures, particularly in hard-to-reach rural areas, seems poised to accelerate.


Hospitals have been closing at a rate of about 30 a year, according to the American Hospital Association, and patients living far from major cities may be left with even fewer hospital choices as insurers push them toward online providers like Teladoc Inc. and clinics such as CVS Health Corp’s MinuteClinic.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-analysts-say
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Old 10-26-2018, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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86 hospitals (as of January 2018 - I've read elsewhere that at least 8 more have closed this year) in 26 states have closed down in the US since 2010, leaving many in rural areas without access to emergency, obstetric or other more specialized health care within hours of their homes.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...-closures.html

But two hospitals in Amsterdam shut down so shut the front door.
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Old 10-26-2018, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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How many weeks does it take to see a medical professional in the Emergency Room?
It took me more than a month to start a subpar chemo that was not what my oncologists recommended in the United States. My insurance would not approve the more effective, less toxic chemo. You know who got that chemo, and faster? People in socialized healthcare systems.

Almost every scan got cancelled and postponed due to insurance. By my 2nd year out of treatment, my insurance would no longer cover scans at the frequency with which my medical team recommended.

'Murica.
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Old 10-26-2018, 06:39 AM
 
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The problem isn't socialist medicine, it is over population. The Netherlands has one of the highest population densities in the world.

So many of the problems discussed on CD forums, whether caused by socialism or capitalism, would go away on their own if it weren't for over population.
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Old 10-26-2018, 06:45 AM
 
Location: USA
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Socialists will rape your wife and eat your children. It’s true! Grab your guns!
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Old 10-26-2018, 06:50 AM
 
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86 hospitals (as of January 2018 - I've read elsewhere that at least 8 more have closed this year) in 26 states have closed down in the US since 2010, leaving many in rural areas without access to emergency, obstetric or other more specialized health care within hours of their homes.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...-closures.html

But two hospitals in Amsterdam shut down so shut the front door.
Right wing trolls feeding right wing propaganda.

What's funny is that many of these trolls are rural hicks themselves and are too stupid to realize the damage they do to themselves and others around them...but damn " at least I ain't no lib-rul."
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Old 10-26-2018, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/1...ay-have-buyer/

Patients who were scheduled for surgery have to find a new doctor and start the process all over. Patients who were admitted, have to be transferred to other hospitals.

These two hospitals are big hospitals and not some small medical center.

Socialist health care is failing badly.

The choice of a primary doctor has to be in a certain zip code. Good luck to people who don’t live in the best areas. You will be stuck with the government telling you who your doctor will be!

Open your eyes as socialist don’t care about you. They care about other people’s money and run it down the drain. The socialist leaders will make sure they don’t battle same plan as you or they make sure thylive in the best areas.

Amsterdam was always part of Western, good society and is now becoming a healthcare poverty society as the system is completely broke.

Long wait time for treatments and for even seeing a doctor!

Careful what you wish for. Obama praises the Dutch and German system!

Obama praises a broken system and wished that on you!
The Netherlands has a dual-level system.

All primary and curative care (i.e. the family doctor service and hospitals and clinics) is financed from private mandatory insurance, and hospitals are private.

Long term care for the elderly, the dying, the long term mentally ill etc. is covered by social insurance funded from earmarked taxation under the provisions of the Algemene Wet Bijzondere Ziektekosten, which came into effect in 1968.

The Dutch system is the opposite of socialist, and is a based on private heathcare insurance and private hospitals with the exception of care for the elderly, mentally ill, those with long term conditions and the mentally ill, all of which are difficult to insure.

The Dutch system is costly and an an assessment of the 2006 Dutch health insurance reforms published in Duke University's Journal of Health Politics, Policy and Law in 2008 raised concerns.

"The analysis found that market-based competition in healthcare may not have the advantages over more publicly based single payer models that were originally envisioned for the reforms: The first lesson for the United States is that the new (post-2006) Dutch health insurance model may not control costs. To date, consumer premiums are increasing, and insurance companies report large losses on the basic policies. Second, regulated competition is unlikely to make voters/citizens happy; public satisfaction is not high, and perceived quality is down. Third, consumers may not behave as economic models predict, remaining responsive to price incentives. If regulated competition with individual mandates performs poorly in auspicious circumstances such as the Netherlands, how will this model fare in the United States, where access, quality, and cost challenges are even greater? Might the assumptions of economic theory not apply in the health sector".


Sp this is case of a private hospital group funed through private health insurance going bankrupt, and has more to do wiith capitalism than socialism.
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Old 10-26-2018, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/1...ay-have-buyer/

Patients who were scheduled for surgery have to find a new doctor and start the process all over. Patients who were admitted, have to be transferred to other hospitals.

These two hospitals are big hospitals and not some small medical center.

Socialist health care is failing badly.

The choice of a primary doctor has to be in a certain zip code. Good luck to people who don’t live in the best areas. You will be stuck with the government telling you who your doctor will be!

Open your eyes as socialist don’t care about you. They care about other people’s money and run it down the drain. The socialist leaders will make sure they don’t battle same plan as you or they make sure thylive in the best areas.

Amsterdam was always part of Western, good society and is now becoming a healthcare poverty society as the system is completely broke.

Long wait time for treatments and for even seeing a doctor!

Careful what you wish for. Obama praises the Dutch and German system!

Obama praises a broken system and wished that on you!

And, this makes you happy somehow ? Very odd.


BTW, you do realize Trump has been bankrupt what, like 6 times himself . So, I guess our Capitalistic System didn't work out so well for him. When he went BR, people said he was "smart", so maybe these hospitals are being smart too.
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Old 10-26-2018, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Hospitals in the U.S. go bankrupt, too.
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