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So if you have a CCW Permit in one state, every single state in the Union MUST honor that permit under the Full Faith and Credit Law????
Yes. Just the same as they honor out-of-state birth certificates, driver's licenses, registered cars, etc., via Article IV of the US Constitution. Note that there is no carve-out that excludes firearms, not to mention the fact that vehicles are many times more deadly than firearms.
Where does it state anywhere that she just started the application process after the discovery. The articles state the police officer said she has an appointment for an interview on December 11 as part of the application process. No where does it state she just started the application process after the discovery. Also, where does it state she did not have a locking device on her guns when first discovered.
Please note that I said IMHO:
Originally Posted by robr2 View Post
That is correct but in MA you are not allowed to posses firearms without a MA issued permit or a temporary permit for out of state residents. IMHO, she had the weapons in her room stored improperly. When SHTF, she went out and started the application process and bought a safe/locks.
Before moving on for the day, I spent a total of 5 minutes googling to find state reciprocity of gun permits much more complicated than it's being presented in this thread. There are several provisions of the Constitution where gun owners might claim reciprocity but it does not appear to have been yet tested before the Supreme Court although that day may come.
Here, it's not even clear whether the language regarding "records" in Article IV would apply to "licenses." Even the recognition of driver's licenses - per that quick google - is not automatic. Rather, states have passed laws to recognize driver licenses from other states. Some states have laws governing concealed carry permits from certain (but not all) other states.
It sounds like until the Supreme Court weighs in, we need to look to the particular state(s) and the issue involved.
Before moving on for the day, I spent a total of 5 minutes googling to find state reciprocity of gun permits much more complicated than it's being presented in this thread. There are several provisions of the Constitution where gun owners might claim reciprocity but it does not appear to have been yet tested before the Supreme Court although that day may come.
Here, it's not even clear whether the language regarding "records" in Article IV would apply to "licenses." Even the recognition of driver's licenses - per that quick google - is not automatic. Rather, states have passed laws to recognize driver licenses from other states. Some states have laws governing concealed carry permits from certain (but not all) other states.
It sounds like until the Supreme Court weighs in, we need to look to the particular state(s) and the issue involved.
Why do states "claim" the rule of law on this until SCOTUS weighs in? Is not the US Constitution the law of the land, as stated in the US Constitution's Article VI:
"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."
The firearms were not registered in Massachusetts. She is just now getting around to it. She has an appointment Dec. 11.
The firearms were not locked and secured as required by Massachusetts law. Her roommates insisted she do this.
When the roommates found them, the firearms were not legally registered in Massachusetts and were not being kept in accordance with the law.
Therefore they were illegal.
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Originally Posted by VLWH
BS as the landlord stated in his letter, the December 11 appointment was part of the application process. According to law enforcement she was in compliance and All laws.
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Originally Posted by robr2
That is correct but in MA you are not allowed to posses firearms without a MA issued permit or a temporary permit for out of state residents. IMHO, she had the weapons in her room stored improperly. When SHTF, she went out and started the application process and bought a safe/locks.
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Originally Posted by VLWH
Where does it state anywhere that she just started the application process after the discovery. The articles state the police officer said she has an appointment for an interview on December 11 as part of the application process. No where does it state she just started the application process after the discovery. Also, where does it state she did not have a locking device on her guns when first discovered.
None of the articles make much of an attempt to be comprehensive. The roommate memo states that Pirnie told them at the October 29th meeting that the "firearms were all properly licensed and permitted." This they appear to have accepted on faith being more concerned about how they were kept (loaded, not in a gun safe, without a trigger lock). There's no date on the memo.
On October 29th, Pirnie appears to have either been ignorant of Massachusetts law and/or (if she knew she needed to apply and begun) then lied to her roommates.
None of the articles make much of an attempt to be comprehensive. The roommate memo states that Pirnie told them at the October 29th meeting that the "firearms were all properly licensed and permitted." This they appear to have accepted on faith being more concerned about how they were kept (loaded, not in a gun safe, without a trigger lock). There's no date on the memo.
On October 29th, Pirnie appears to have either been ignorant of Massachusetts law and/or (if she knew she needed to apply and begun) then lied to her roommates.
Why would MA law void the law under which she was functioning? It's a US Constitution Article IV issue. Same reason I can drive my out-of-state registered car in MA.
None of the articles make much of an attempt to be comprehensive. The roommate memo states that Pirnie told them at the October 29th meeting that the "firearms were all properly licensed and permitted." This they appear to have accepted on faith being more concerned about how they were kept (loaded, not in a gun safe, without a trigger lock). There's no date on the memo.
On October 29th, Pirnie appears to have either been ignorant of Massachusetts law and/or (if she knew she needed to apply and begun) then lied to her roommates.
You can get into some serious trouble in Mass. for this ignorance. This woman is irresponsible and I would not want to be her roommate if she is that ignorant or a liar regarding a serious issue like firearms ownership, especially in a state like Mass.
You can get into some serious trouble in Mass. for this ignorance. This woman is irresponsible and I would not want to be her roommate if she is that ignorant or a liar regarding a serious issue like firearms ownership, especially in a state like Mass.
Kowtow much? The US Constitution enables you to avoid such oppression. Why not take the olive branch of liberty offered by the US Constitution?
You can get into some serious trouble in Mass. for this ignorance. This woman is irresponsible and I would not want to be her roommate if she is that ignorant or a liar regarding a serious issue like firearms ownership, especially in a state like Mass.
Again... Why would MA law void the law under which she was functioning? It's a US Constitution Article IV issue. Same reason I can drive my out-of-state registered car in MA as much as I wish.
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