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Old 01-14-2019, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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That oxygen is a discarded waste product. It falls under abandoned property.



Wait. We're breathing phytoplankton sh--?


Ew.

 
Old 01-14-2019, 11:29 AM
 
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There is no spin. The data actually shows that Democrats are FAR less capable of supporting themselves than are Republicans.
And once again you're applying your "spin".

Here, let me provide some needed objectivity;

Entitlements | Pew Research Center


You "cherry picked" one item from a list of Pew polls

The politics and demographics of food stamp recipients | Pew Research Center

Take note the poll was taken in 2013.

Please also note the sentence that includes this little nugget: "when respondents are asked if someone else living in their household had ever received food stamps. According to the survey, about three in ten Democrats (31%) and about half as many Republicans (17%) say they or someone in their household has benefitted from the food stamp program."


Now; here's some "spin" for you ...what if Democrats in a further study were simply revealed to be MORE HONEST when asked a question a Republican may be more embarrassed by as bolstered by this contained within the 2013 article: "But when the political lens shifts from partisanship to ideology, the participation gap vanishes. Self-described political conservatives were no more likely than liberals or moderates to have received food stamps (17% for each group), according to the survey."

If not asked to identify by party affiliation; conservatives, moderates and liberals all share the same usage rate of 17%. Strange. eh?
 
Old 01-14-2019, 11:38 AM
 
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There is no fallacy. Democrats are FAR less likely to be able to support themselves than are Republicans.
Ah yes; you still want to play the "spin" game; Wheel of Fortune:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...es/1694273002/


Now let's observe how a simple poll like the one you're using to broad-brush a political affiliation can be put under the microscope to achieve another conclusion entirely:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...es-red-states/

https://www.brookings.edu/research/p...arty-lines/#AL
 
Old 01-14-2019, 11:38 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by BruSan View Post
And once again you're applying your "spin".

Here, let me provide some needed objectivity;

Entitlements | Pew Research Center
Those "entitlements" include SS and Medicare, for which one must prepay at least 10 years worth of SS and Medicare taxes to qualify for benefits.

I'm talking about means-tested public assistance benefits that have no such contribution requirements for eligibility. When analyzing those, it's true that Democrats are enrolled at a rate of at least 2 times the rate of Republicans, and frequently more than that.

Wake up and smell the coffee... Democrats are undeniably FAR less capable of supporting themselves than are Republicans.
 
Old 01-14-2019, 11:47 AM
 
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Those "entitlements" include SS and Medicare, for which one must prepay at least 10 years worth of SS and Medicare taxes to qualify for benefits.

I'm talking about means-tested public assistance benefits that have no such contribution requirements for eligibility. When analyzing those, it's true that Democrats are enrolled at a rate of at least 2 times the rate of Republicans, and frequently more than that.

Wake up and smell the coffee... Democrats are undeniably FAR less capable of supporting themselves than are Republicans.
That they less embarrassingly admit to "when asked". There is no factual determination as to their actual party affiliation.

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
 
Old 01-14-2019, 11:51 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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That they less embarrassingly admit to "when asked". There is no factual determination as to their actual party affiliation.
Are you saying you won't take people at their word when they identify as a Democrat? That's an odd position to take considering EVERY exit poll in existence relies on believing what people say about themselves and how they voted.
 
Old 01-14-2019, 11:58 AM
 
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Are you saying you won't take people at their word when they identify as a Democrat? That's an odd position to take considering EVERY exit poll in existence relies on believing what people say about themselves and how they voted.
And once again you misread to suit. That is not what I said at all.

If there would be anyone less likely to admit to receiving a handout....of which party affiliation do YOU think they'd be more likely to be a member of.
 
Old 01-14-2019, 12:02 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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And once again you misread to suit. That is not what I said at all.

If there would be anyone less likely to admit to receiving a handout....of which party affiliation do YOU think they'd be more likely to be a member of.
But too many receiving don’t view it as a handout, but as aid to which they’re entitled, as though they have earned it or for some reason deserve it without question. It’s the old “someone’s gots to pay for my children” attitude.
 
Old 01-14-2019, 12:17 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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And once again you misread to suit. That is not what I said at all.

If there would be anyone less likely to admit to receiving a handout....of which party affiliation do YOU think they'd be more likely to be a member of.
Why do you assume anyone is lying when asked? Do you assume the same of election exit polls, as well?
 
Old 01-14-2019, 12:59 PM
 
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I believe we all have a right to health care. It's a moral imperative. I'm not comfortable w/ letting people get sick and die if we can prevent or stop it by providing health care. A healthy country is a more productive one so it affects the economy of our country.
I'm not for giving away all free stuff to anyone standing it line, though. We have to have common sense, too, and let people work for things. That's how we all earn self esteem. Health care is one of those things, though, that is essential to life.
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