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Living in a civilized society must be very tough for you, then. Do you get out much?
I get out plenty. Doesn't mean I have to accept or agree with the concept of being forced to labor for the benefit of others.
And I see the word "civilized" as the marketing slogan behind tyranny all the time. It makes me wonder - is that the measure of civility, how much the people are forced to labor on behalf of some oligarchy's notions of well ordered?
Again. Give it by the 2030s at the latest and I will be proven right. We will have a single payer system. Even conservatives are getting on board with it.
The private system just costs too much money at the point of use, even with insurance.
And I work, and earn decent money. But still not enough to pay for say cancer treatment.....
By what right do you proclaim I MUST pay for your healthcare or should I refuse I shall be locked in a cage or killed? Am I YOUR slave? Are you willing to come to my door, gun in hand, to demand I pay since you must believe I am your slave?
By what right do you proclaim the authority to demand what I have earned in order to pay for something you could earn and pay for yourself? By what right do you demand to STEAL from me that which I have earned?
Unless you agree that slavery is legal and proper, there can be no such thing as the positive right (defined as a right to some portion of somebody else's labor/skills).
Period.
In greater detail - if I claim that I have a "right" to that which another individual or group thereof provides, then I make a claim that I have a "right" to some portion of their labor SOLELY for my benefit, whenever I want. The word we have for people who have a portion of their labor owned by others by right is "slave."
You cannot describe the concept of "positive rights" any other way.
Again. Give it by the 2030s at the latest and I will be proven right. We will have a single payer system. Even conservatives are getting on board with it.
The private system just costs too much money at the point of use, even with insurance.
And I work, and earn decent money. But still not enough to pay for say cancer treatment.....
Frankly, I give a damn if you will not earn enough to pay for insurance or even cancer treatment because I am NOT your slave nor am I your keeper. You aren't my wife and you aren't my child, so by what RIGHT do you demand to steal from me in order to pay for that which you could earn on your own?
Did GOD give you the right to STEAL from me? Does proclaiming a right to a home entitle you to STEAL from the labors of others in order to pay for that home as long as you get the scumbags in government to agree and pass some law?
Does passing a law permitting you to STEAL from others just because you don't think it's FAIR that others have more than you make that act of THEFT moral?
You appear to not understand who the slave is in regard to healthcare. The slave would be everyone who is forced to pay, by threat of imprisonment or death if they do not pay, for the healthcare of any person other other than themselves or their family.
Yep, exactly. And I'm sick to death of those who gleefully advocate for slavery.
The concept that I would be a slave to you if I were compelled, by law, to help pay for your medical care is NOT a difficult concept to comprehend. I owe you nothing. The mere fact that you were born does NOT entitle you to demand that I or anyone else help pay for your healthcare.
Spot on! How is that so hard for some to comprehend?
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By what right do you proclaim I MUST pay for your healthcare or should I refuse I shall be locked in a cage or killed? Am I YOUR slave? Are you willing to come to my door, gun in hand, to demand I pay since you must believe I am your slave?
By what right do you proclaim the authority to demand what I have earned in order to pay for something you could earn and pay for yourself? By what right do you demand to STEAL from me that which I have earned?
By what right???
What the hell are you talking about? Is this that stupid "taxes are theft" argument again?
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Frankly, I give a damn if you will not earn enough to pay for insurance or even cancer treatment because I am NOT your slave nor am I your keeper. You aren't my wife and you aren't my child, so by what RIGHT do you demand to steal from me in order to pay for that which you could earn on your own?
Did GOD give you the right to STEAL from me? Does proclaiming a right to a home entitle you to STEAL from the labors of others in order to pay for that home as long as you get the scumbags in government to agree and pass some law?
Does passing a law permitting you to STEAL from others just because you don't think it's FAIR that others have more than you make that act of THEFT moral?
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Yep, exactly. And I'm sick to death of those who gleefully advocate for slavery.
Well, the majority (over half the population, including some conservatives) now want single payer; so I guess you better prepare your move to Africa.....
Rights are conferred by the government here in the USA but it is the people who decide what a right is by a democratic process. So, if a majority decide that healthcare is a right, then it becomes such a thing. If they decide it is not a right, then that is also the law of the land. I have my opinions on what should be a right, but I am fine with letting the democratic process we have to decide if it should be the law of the land. Isn't that how it should be?
I don't believe in "natural rights" or god-given rights. It is too easy to make those up and there is no authority around, despite what some people claim, that can answer questions about those "rights". I believe all rights come from the people, through a democratic process.
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