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Apparently education is a right for all children, something society provides through taxes as opposed to the parents. People who cannot afford health insurance are paying for someone else's kids school. So maybe health care should be a right too.
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Originally Posted by MLSFan
Education is a right for children because they can't educate themselves
College students are not children... They are adults who are expected to be responsible for their choices
Actually, if you read the rulings on state provided education, it is NOT that the states must automatically provide free education. They must, however, provide free education if they have truancy laws and, if education is provided free of charge by the state, it must be equally available to all children. Any state can get out of the public education business, provided they do so completely and they get rid of truancy laws.
INDIGO WILLIAMS, ET. AL. V. PHIL BRYANT ET. AL. and MARTINEZ V. MALLOY are the latest cases challenging this notion, and although they may make it past one or two levels of the federal court, depending on how constructivist the judges are, they are expected to be ruled against if the make it to SCOTUS.
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It's so infuriating that I am not walking over people dying in the streets who can't afford healthcare. That's the society I want to live in!
(Said no decent human being ever, but hey, it's City-Data!)
Why would that happen? Are you presently walking by people on the streets without access to phones, transportation, air conditioning, indoor plumbing, microwave ovens, television, computers???
It's my right...
You have the right to....
Healthcare is a right...
College is a right....
Is it really a right, if someone else has to do it for you?
Can I force you to provide a right to me?
Or, do rights deal with Natural Law and things you can provide for yourself?
Interesting to see the diverse viewpoints to come.....
Popcorn please!
Hmmmm. With these questions of Rights, I can't help but think about the border crisis.
The leaders of countries to our Southern border have let their people down. There is greater crime and corruption then in most places in the US so these poor people that have nothing to lose but everything to gain carry what they can and break into America where they expect to receive all the Rights that are granted to citizens and Legal immigrants.
Do they have the Right to make demands on the law abiding? The Dems seem to think so.
They are wiling to give these immigration line jumpers, jobs, drivers licenses, health care, education for their kids and someday soon the Right to vote.
The only Right that criminals should have is the Right to remain silent when they are arrested.
Anyone has the right to health care for which they can pay. Same as anyone has a right to housing for which they can pay, a right to food for which they can pay, and a right to clothing for which they can pay.
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Healthcare, backed by insurance or by a means of payment, is a consumer service. Not unlike any other consumer service. You can afford it or you can't, but in the end, all of us, even those with the best healthcare, are going to die. I have good insurance but my doctor has never offered any treatment to ensure immortality. Maybe I should ask?
It's so infuriating that I am not walking over people dying in the streets who can't afford healthcare. That's the society I want to live in!
(Said no decent human being ever, but hey, it's City-Data!)
Do you volunteer or financially support local clinics for the poor? Give them every penny you can, even at the expense of your own family? If not, you're a hypocrite.
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Thank you dear Cantabridgienne, for being the voice of reason and truth.
Another bleeding heart heard from. You, too, are free to write as many checks as you can to support your beliefs. Stop expecting me to support *your* idea of good causes.
Healthcare, backed by insurance or by a means of payment, is a consumer service. Not unlike any other consumer service. You can afford it or you can't, but in the end, all of us, even those with the best healthcare, are going to die. I have good insurance but my doctor has never offered any treatment to ensure immortality. Maybe I should ask?
And life's not fair. Get used to it.
You are going to have to get used to the public health care system that will come. You can pay for your good insurance and insurance for others as well. You already do with Medicaid. Trump will cause so many of his supporters to lose their subsidies that they will panic and give in to democrats plans.
Note, that the "rights" as defined in the Bill of Rights were enshrined as a governing document and the founding fathers created a governing system where various other "rights" could be added/defined.
If we are going to be honest about rights we have to admit that they are up to interpretation.
In regards to healthcare in particular, I'd like to see us having a Medicare or Medicaid program for all citizens because it'd take the burden of healthcare off our private sector. It would also allow many people to become entrepreneurs/small business owners as many Americans decide not to go after entrepreneurial goals due to needing to have health insurance for their families. This would allow us to have a more robust economy IMO and it is always odd to me that more on the right do not buy into a Medicare for all program. More on the right are for their own reasons but this one is the main reason why I support it.
On education, most states do include in the constitutions that it is a "right" for children to be educated. I agree that college/university is for adults and so they should be on their own so to speak for their continuing education goals. But childhood education should be mandatory IMO starting really at age 3 for pre-k through high school.
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You, too, are free to write as many checks as you can to support your beliefs. Stop expecting me to support *your* idea of good causes.