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Old 02-15-2019, 06:08 AM
 
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Negative, cowboy. You cannot null and void a Constitutional right by declaring an emergency.
Maybe not by declaring a national emergency, but just by taking the steps needed to change the Constitution, you know, like setting a precedent by stripping birthright citizenship from the Constitution.

Beware of unintended consequences.
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:11 AM
 
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I heard in passing on the news that Trump's advisors were trying to talk him out of declaring an emergency for exactly that reason - it opens the door for Dems to do the same.
They already have. That's how we got stuck with DACA.
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:18 AM
 
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I am all for ending gun violence, who isn't?

The vast majority of gun owners and gun Rights supporters including the NRA are 100% FOR the legal law abiding safe use of firearms and they denounce the unlawful use of firearms.

What I find ironic is that the people that are against removing Illegal guns from the hands of criminals are the Democrats. They cite that cracking down on people that have illegally owned guns is somehow racist but if we take a place like the inner city of Chicago it is not white guys shooting white guys so who should the cops go after?

Comparing the illegal border crossing crisis to the illegal use of guns is ridiculous but I understand that it is not much of a stretch for a Democrat mind to put together.

The Wall would stop illegal border crossings. Declaring a national emergency to outlaw and round up guns say after a mass shooting would not affect those who own guns illegally but it would potentially make felons out of Millions of Law Abiding Citizens.

It is very telling that the Democrats are looking to assist would be law breakers while potentially turning law abiding citizens into felons?
No one ever said Dems had actual critical thinking skills. They're mostly just knee-jerk emoters, and depend on their voter base to be so, as well.
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:21 AM
 
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Trump’s action runs against Article 1, namely Congress’s power of the purse.
Au contraire, Trump would be accessing funds that have already been appropriated by Congress without restrictive use clauses.
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I don't see guns being the next use of the phony national emergency. It will be more like taking the military budget to build infrastructure pork or to subsidize renewable energy projects that Congress won't pass. Bottom line though is if congress lets this stand, then the door is open to just about anything and the whole concept of division of powers is out the window.
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:24 AM
 
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So could a GOP president then declare an abortion emergency?
No need.

The GOP has already started their plan to stop abortions. Use onerous regulations to effectively stop women from using their right to have an abortion.

That same game plan could work for guns. You would still have the right to own a gun, but........can you jump through all the hoops to exercise that right?
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:24 AM
 
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It has taken far more lives than all people any illegal aliens have killed or hurt.

So if Trump can go around Congress for the wall, get ready for the next D president to go full force on confronting the national epidemic of gun violence.

I didn’t want an expansion of executive power, but you cons seem ok with it to further your pet projects. You’ll have to bear that position in mind when the shoe is on the other foot.
Go ahead - make my day.

The dems can expect equivalent treatment they are dishing out when they get into power. They set the bar and standard.

Trump offered to send in help to inner cities experiencing gun violence but that help was rejected.
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:27 AM
 
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I don't see guns being the next use of the phony national emergency. It will be more like taking the military budget to build infrastructure pork or to subsidize renewable energy projects that Congress won't pass. Bottom line though is if congress lets this stand, then the door is open to just about anything and the whole concept of division of powers is out the window.
I agree with you, it won't be guns.

How about declaring healthcare a National Emergency?
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:27 AM
 
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Maybe not by declaring a national emergency, but just by taking the steps needed to change the Constitution, you know, like setting a precedent by stripping birthright citizenship from the Constitution.

Beware of unintended consequences.
No change to the Constitution is needed to strip anchor babies of birthright citizenship. The 14th Amendment never gave them such. It's only been political "policy" for the last few decades.

Excerpt of historical and legal evidence in this post in another thread.
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:45 AM
 
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As most things, the solution is within our own actions, not the governments'. All posters to this thread who fit this profile can get in motion, stay in motion and the national emergency of fat asses goes poof.

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Obesity is common, serious, and costly
The prevalence of obesity was 39.8% and affected about 93.3 million of US adults in 2015~2016. [Read CDC National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) data briefCdc-pdf PDF-603KB]
Obesity-related conditions include heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and certain types of cancer that are some of the leading causes of preventable, premature death. [Read guidelinesExternal]
The estimated annual medical cost of obesity in the United States was $147 billion in 2008 US dollars; the medical cost for people who have obesity was $1,429 higher than those of normal weight. [Read paperExternal]
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
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I agree with you, it won't be guns.

How about declaring healthcare a National Emergency?
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