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Old 08-17-2019, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by Floorist View Post
The original AK47 was fully automatic. Totally different than a semi auto.
You couldn't be more wrong.

The AK-47 can be fired in semi-automatic or full-automatic mode.
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mircea View Post
You couldn't be more wrong.

The AK-47 can be fired in semi-automatic or full-automatic mode.
But the original was capable of full auto. The new legal ones are not.
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The U.S. Government has a huge nuclear arsenal and thousands of tanks at its disposal.
None of which is even remotely relevant. The US is not going to use nuclear weapons on its on soil.

Whether the US has zero tanks or 1 Million tanks isn't relevant, either.

The only people who mention tanks are those who know nothing about tanks.

Tanks are of no value in a civil war, except for the "intimidation factor."

For those who never served and those who have no contact with the military and whose only source of info is Hollywood films, I can see why they might be intimidated by a tank.

But, for those of us who know, tanks are no big deal.

There are 100s of 1,000s of miles of roads in the US that tanks cannot travel upon.

Those roads weren't built for tanks and tanks will tear them up. Trailing tanks might follow, and so might Bradleys, but not wheeled vehicles. Wheeled vehicles will have to double-back and find a different route.

There are 100s of 1,000s of bridges in the US that tanks and IFVs cannot travel upon, either.

The weight of the tank is too great and the bridge will buckle or out-right collapse. So, now you have a dead or injured tank crew, a damaged or destroyed tank, and you have to wait around for hours waiting for the engineers to come up and find a way to bridge the area, assuming that's even possible.

Something else about tracked vehicles: they cannot traverse slopes greater than 35°.

If you've ever traveled in Germany, you might have noticed autobahns are elevated above the surrounding terrain by 3 meters to 6 meters.

That's by design, not accident.

Who on this forum would like to know why?

Because Hitler wanted them built that way as defensive barriers.

Since the slopes are 35°, no country's tracked vehicles like tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, self-propelled howitzers, air defense platforms and engineering equipment can't traverse them.

That means you have to bring up the engineers and waste time blasting a hole through the berm, which is the whole freaking point.

Or, you have to waste valuable time trying to find a way around it, which is also the whole freaking point.

It's shocking really how little you all know.

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You can buy a fleet of tanks.
And who would crew them?

Do you understand that tanks require infantry support?

Obviously not.

Where are you going to find the 100s of people to operate your support services?

Tanks get stuck. That's what they do. During Desert Storm, lots of tanks got stuck and that was mostly flat open terrain.

Are you going to recover the tank, or just leave it for capture?

When you run out of ammo, whose going to be carrying it for you?

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Nukes are a different animal, much like chemical weapons due to their natute of being dangerous for lack of constant care.
Nukes are irrelevant and only ignorant people bring them up to side-track the issue.

Fissile materials are strictly regulated and governed by all countries for many different reasons including adherence and compliance to certain international treaties and covenants.

I can see where uninformed people wouldn't be aware of that.

No country is going to allow nuclear weapons to be produced for consumer consumption.

Again, only disingenuous people mention nukes when they get beaten and try to side-track the debate.

Even if States did let people buy nuclear weapons, as with a great many things, they would require compliance to regulations.

Before you bought your nuke, you'd have to build an ABREST -- Atomic Blast-Resistant Earth-covered Structure.

That's 20' x 10' x 40' at a minimum with 3' thick reinforced concrete covered with 3 meters of earth.

And then at least one 10-ton blast door, but not any blast-door, a blast-door with weighted vents tethered with lead (Pb).

Why lead?

Um, because lead melts at low temperatures, so if there was a fire in your ABREST the lead tether would start to melt and the weights would help break the tether allowing the vents to close to cut off the air supply that would feed the fire.

Good luck getting a bank to loan you the money for that.

But, none of that matters, because you'd never get a bank to loan you the money to buy the permissive action link system which costs a helluva lot more than your house costs.

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The 2nd clearly states that I can be armed, even with a tank.
No, it does not.

The operand is "bear arms."

If you cannot carry it -- which is what "bear" means -- then you cannot have it.
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:10 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The original AK47 was fully automatic. Totally different than a semi auto.
All AK-47's were select fire. Accuracy would be nullified if it was full auto all the time.
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:11 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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But the original was capable of full auto. The new legal ones are not.
They are called variants. (AK-style) They are not called AK's.
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:22 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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One way to dispel the confusion about America, versus other countries, regarding firearms is to remember this: Americans are not subjects of their government. So it has no political power to deny American people their endowed right to life and to defend that life with whatever means they deem necessary.

In fact, only by explicit consent can the government go beyond securing endowed rights [see Declaration of Independence]. No other government, including the French revolution, dared to recognize that the people were superior to the government.

This a legal distinction as well, and explains why Americans do not bow nor kneel to monarchs - because we're their social and legal equals. And why "common" Americans can marry foreign nobility without violating local laws on marriage to commoners.

Americans are sovereigns without subjects - unless they consent otherwise.

Servant dares not tell the Master what to do, lest he get spanked. Thus the preponderance of arms in the private sector discourage the would be dictators and warlords from thinking they can rise in power over the united States of America.
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REFERENCE
“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . .
“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the [sovereign] people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign [the people] in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns.”
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/2/419#writing-USSC_CR_0002_0419_Z
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ALIEN, n. An American sovereign in his probationary state.
- - - - “The Devil’s Dictionary” (1906), by Ambrose Bierce
(download available from gutenberg.org)
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I can't wait to hand over my gun, to the same government responsible for guarding Jeffery Epstein.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:11 PM
 
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Once the guns are gone they won't be coming back......and we are all potentially at the mercy of a bunch of wild eyed leftists that I wouldn't trust an inch......AOC-Pelosi-Tlaib are hate filled morons.......I'll trust my brothers Smith & Wesson over them any day......
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:32 PM
 
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Originally Posted by QuakerBaker View Post
Many people say that we need the right to own weapons such as an AK47 so that we can protect ourselves from an abusive government.

I would argue that this is not true.



2...In similar countries with similar constitutional values like France, the UK, Australia....which have reduced gun rights...you don't see an oppressive government beating up the people. Because as above, the military would turn on the government if it ever did that.

Have you paid attention to what happened during the Yellow Vest protests in France?



The cops were absolutely brutal - they shot tear gas canisters at close range and maimed people - hands blown off, people blinded, skull fractures, - and beat protesters 3 or 4 cops to one handcuffed prisoner - skull fractures, brain damage, broken ribs, broken arms and legs.



https://www.thelocal.fr/20181214/fre...rubber-bullets


UN urges French probe into use of force against ?yellow vests? - Global Times


https://www.ensonhaber.com/en/world/...vest-protestor
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Old Yesterday, 02:41 AM
 
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Have you paid attention to what happened during the Yellow Vest protests in France?



The cops were absolutely brutal - they shot tear gas canisters at close range and maimed people - hands blown off, people blinded, skull fractures, - and beat protesters 3 or 4 cops to one handcuffed prisoner - skull fractures, brain damage, broken ribs, broken arms and legs.



https://www.thelocal.fr/20181214/fre...rubber-bullets


UN urges French probe into use of force against ?yellow vests? - Global Times


https://www.ensonhaber.com/en/world/...vest-protestor
You know which is even more dangerous?? That most Americans and the world dont even know what is yellow vest protests.

Media is powerful enough to control our minds. And these duck hunters are worried about guns being taken away (If indeed the government is planning confiscation or ban, media wouldnt breathe about it) .
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Old Yesterday, 07:27 AM
 
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Can you outline the fundamental difference between an AK47 and <insert any semi-auto rifle here>?
I was going to ask the same. Is a semi-automatic shotgun an assault weapon since it can spray many shotgun pellets with each shot? Is a semi-automatic .22 rifle that holds 18 rounds an assault weapon?
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