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Old Today, 12:13 PM
 
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That's your spin on it. The Chinese government decided to implement capitalism to an extent. They could have continued with pure socialism and had their people suffer for it but they didn't. I stand by what I wrote.
Right, like a slave owner gives a little freedom to his slaves who should have been free from slavery to begin with.


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Old Today, 12:20 PM
 
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That's your spin on it.
And it is correct.
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The Chinese government decided to implement capitalism to an extent.
Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping became the top of the government in 1979, and immediately began relaxing China's harsh restrictions of people buying and selling on the open market, foreign trade and investment etc. Once the people were (relatively) free to do what they wanted, Chinese prosperity exploded and the country became an economic powerhouse within a decade - an astoundingly short time.

China didn't become prosperous because of anything government did, but because of what government stopped doing: no longer restricting and crushing its people. Once relatively free, they needed no urging, but began expanding their economic activities and building themselves a great country.

Now the latest leader Xi Jinping is working to return the country to the ways (and the oppression) of the late Chairman Mao Zedong... and, of course, taking Hong Kong with it. No differences of opinion or freedom must be allowed. MANY Chinese subjects are very upset with this new trend. But as I pointed out earlier, they know better than to say so. And people around the world still keep praising the apparent harmony and support of the PRC government... just as the PRC wants them to.
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Old Today, 12:33 PM
 
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Or the overwhelming majority could simply be happy with where they are in life and how they and their families have risen out of poverty over the years under PRC leadership .
True. And this remained true until a few years after Xi Jinping took power. He needed those years to gain control over the Chinese power structures, military etc, (which is not an automatic progression like it is in the United States). But once he got it, he began cracking down. Now Chinese citizens can no longer invest more than trivial amounts overseas, Chinese media is becoming more and more heavily censored, market restrictions are returning with a vengeance etc. And there is nothing to stop Xi from continuing his reversals of Deng's programs of freedom.

And more and more Chinese subjects are rapidly becoming LESS happy. But it's too late for them to do anything about it.

Not that there ever was anything they could do. They have always been totally subject to the will and whims of whatever leader in is power... a leader they did not elect.

They got lucky for a while with Deng Xiaoping. But their luck has now turned... and they know it.
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Old Today, 01:34 PM
 
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It was taken under a century-old British treaty, which was NOT signed by HK's subjects.

And it was taken under false pretenses: That the citizens would retain all their freedoms and see no material changes.

In other words, it was stolen.
HK was occupied by Britain because China lost the Opium War.

HK never had democracy before 1997.
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Old Today, 01:35 PM
 
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Right, like a slave owner gives a little freedom to his slaves who should have been free from slavery to begin with.

Any country needs a government to organize things. And some did a good job, some bad.

Generally speaking China government has been doing a decent job since 1979.
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Old Today, 01:58 PM
 
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Anyone with a decent objective sense knows that the protests are instigated and supported by us and British elements bent on subverting Chinese rule in HK. Chan is a real chinese patriot and so his position is not surprising. Good for him. HK belongs to China, period. Donít like it, get out.
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Old Today, 02:04 PM
 
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I don’t know why chinese agents don’t stop the five top protest leaders from leaving HK to go to universities in the us and Britain. Arrest them for subversion and bring them into china and throw them in jail. No foreign university study for traitors. Why are chinese so wimpy when it comes to dealing with bad elements? They should learn from the Russians. If Russia owned HK, these protests would have been crushed weeks ago. The west may hate Russia, but they fear and respect Russia. The west neither fear nor like nor respect China. Stupid Chinese.
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Right, like a slave owner gives a little freedom to his slaves who should have been free from slavery to begin with.

Again, doesn't have to be for you. Doesn't mean others don't like it. Democracy isn't for everyone. The sooner we figure that out as a country, the sooner we'll stop getting involved in endless war and conflict. The more money we'll save and the better off our people will be.
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Old Today, 02:25 PM
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Any country needs a government to organize things. And some did a good job, some bad.

Generally speaking China government has been doing a decent job since 1979.
They have been.

People get all bent out of shape by the "communist" label or by the level of control that the central government has over things.

But I've been to mainland China. People go on about their lives, go out to eat, clubs, amusement parks, travel the world, etc. Hundreds of millions have been brought out of poverty in the last few decades.

As I've told others in this thread, the PRC system may not be for you, but that doesn't mean that many, many hundreds of millions don't like it. The fact that a few within a PRC territory don't like it doesn't mean that the PRC should fail to exert its authority over said territory.

Hell, if you listen to the loud Black Lives Matter and Antifa protests, you'd think that the USA was a terrorist, authoritarian regime. Those protesters may not like things (that's fine), but the bulk of our country is fine with how the system works, and those few don't get to radically alter things for the rest of us just because they are loud.
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Old Today, 02:28 PM
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HK was occupied by Britain because China lost the Opium War.

HK never had democracy before 1997.
That's what so many in this thread are failing to recognize.

Under British rule--which was an undemocratic way of taking control to begin with--a random UK tycoon was given control over the city as governor (he came from the UK) to rule over a foreign people and foreign culture. This governor, in turn, selected the members of the Legislative Council; hell, they didn't even try to pretend they had a democracy.

Ironically, Hong Kong is more of a democracy today under PRC authority than it EVER was under UK rule.
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