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Old 06-03-2010, 08:26 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Does that me the Zulu should move back to central Africa where the bantu language group originated?
Well it appears using the logic of some here...yes,Zulus would have to go back to their original homeland further north.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Afrikaners aren't Dutch silly,they are native born South Africans.
Been there for over 350 years.

Google is your friend if you want to become educated on the topic.
Some are of English and other west European heritage too from what I have heard...surely the mixing have made sure most of them have dutch in them though.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:28 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Some are of English and other west European heritage too from what I have heard...surely the mixing have made sure most of them have dutch in them though.
The 'English' there aren't considered Afrikaners...at least not by Afrikaners.

So anyway,should the Zulu return to their ancestral homeland too?
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:31 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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What privileges?


What of the Cape Colored and Indians?Are they also to be at the same economic level?Also which particular tribal group should be the starting point?
Of course, there is no reason why Africans should be worse off on their own continent than whites or Indians who have only arrived there a few centuries ago. No matter how long they have lived there, they will never be as African as black Africans, be it Bushmen or Bantus. As long as black people see whites on their continent who have better lives than them, there will be problems.

I think the black people of SA are very generous, they have not retaliated for the long time of apartheid. They could have simply killed and expelled whites, but they didn't, thanks to Mandela and people like him.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Has the OP surrendered? I notice that he hasn't responded to my or anyone else's invitation to provide actual evidence for his claims.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:35 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Of course, there is no reason why Africans should be worse off on their own continent than whites or Indians who have only arrived there a few centuries ago.
You are going to lump the ENTIRE continent and various tribes of Africa all together....

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No matter how long they have live there, they will never be as African as black Africans, be it Bushmen or Bantus.
So the color of a person's skin IS the deciding factor on whether they deserve to live somewhere...THAT is quite interesting.DO you use the same criteria in other nations/geographical areas?
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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The 'English' there aren't considered Afrikaners...at least not by Afrikaners.

So anyway,should the Zulu return to their ancestral homeland too?
What you consider yourself takes priority over what you are?

The zulu issue is a little more complicated.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:40 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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What you consider yourself takes priority over what you are?
You lost me.

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The zulu issue is a little more complicated.
Why?They are relatively recent arrivals to region of South Africa...displaced/subjugated those who were already living there...

Only difference I could see is...they are black.

Surely you aren't going to base such things on skin color?
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:41 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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You are going to lump the ENTIRE continent and various tribes of Africa all together....


So the color of a person's skin IS the deciding factor on whether they deserve to live somewhere...THAT is quite interesting.DO you use the same criteria in other nations/geographical areas?

Bushmen and Bantus have to sort out their history themselves, that is none of our business, it's an internal African issue.

As I said, I am not saying whites should be expelled or anything like that, but they should arrive at the same economic level the rest of the population lives. There is for instance no reason why whites should own more and/or better land than their percentage of the population suggests.
I have seen interviews with some of those Afrikaners, they still think they are better, they don't mix with blacks etc. Basically they still have the mentality of colonial people.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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You lost me.


Why?They are relatively recent arrivals to region of South Africa...displaced/subjugated those who were already living there...

Only difference I could see is...they are black.

Surely you aren't going to base such things on skin color?
An Englishman is an Englishman...even if other people dont consider themselves as such.

The difference is the intermingling between the zulu and xhosa makes it very possible that a great number(If not majority) of the zulu population in south Africa have ancestry that could be considered rather "native" to that area.
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