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Old 06-03-2010, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Center of the universe
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But they aren't Dutch,they are of Dutch descent but that was 350 or so years ago.
They are a settler class, descended from Dutch invaders.

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The Afrikaners did indeed end Apartheid,something I haven't seen many acknowledge until I brought it up....

They helped end Apartheid.

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The present gov. has laws in place favoring one race over another...

Was this a problem for you when the settler minority did the same thing? I also didn't know there were pass laws or other racially demeaning policies created by the ANC.
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:21 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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They are a settler class, descended from Dutch invaders.
Like the Zulu?




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They helped end Apartheid.
Yes they ended Apartheid by allowing it to go to a referendum.




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Was this a problem for you when the settler minority did the same thing? I also didn't know there were pass laws or other racially demeaning policies created by the ANC.
Is it a problem for you NOW?

Do you support racist gov. policies sometimes and not others?
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:22 AM
 
Location: New Kensington (Parnassus) ,Pa
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Sorry. The Afrikaners are European settlers. How many years did they spend telling everyone else in the continent and beyond that they were different, and enforcing that at gunpoint.........?
So, it's ok to murder them.
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Toledo
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They are a settler class, descended from Dutch invaders.




They helped end Apartheid.




Was this a problem for you when the settler minority did the same thing? I also didn't know there were pass laws or other racially demeaning policies created by the ANC.

I would like to know this too.

Why can't you just answer the question oz?
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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You seemed to have no problem voicing your opinions of Apartheid, gov. instituted laws...

Might want to check into how many Afrikaners and English speakers ARE leaving...

My mistake,I must have missed your equal condemnation of it's institutional racism.Just so we are clear,you do condemn the racist policies of the current gov. in the RSA?
Not that the dutch government is dead I feel we can all take turns swinging the bat at it

Not nearly enough are leaving if the government is still making a priority to discriminate against them. I think the dutch could truly show them what they think about the new racist government by using their feet. Nothing more painful than your citizens jumping ship eh?

I condemn the current government for having people like Malema around.
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:36 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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The various BLACK tribes did not mix either,hence why there are still tribes... And being born somewhere to parents who were born somewhere and generations back for over 350 years does indeed make you native to the region....

Same standard apply to the Zulu?


LOL...


And you again base this solely on skin color,making you quite bigoted....
Actually there was quite a lot of mixing between Bantus and Bushmen. Mandela himself is mixed.
I don't share your interpretation of the term native.
There used to be North Africans here on the Iberian peninsula for centuries, but they were finally expelled because they did not belong here. They were not at all considered natives just because they had been here for centuries.

I see a clear hierarchy here, the Bushmen are the only legitimate owners of the land, then come the Bantus, and only then the Afrikaners and other whites, Indians etc. Again, what you don't realize is that I am not in favor of expelling anyone, nor of taking away EVERYTHING from whites and Indians in Africa, BUT taking away their excess wealth that is based upon the crimes of the past centuries. And that is indeed possible. It will never be 100% fair, sure, but better than the way it is now. The land problem is the same as in Brazil etc.

Lol, too.

Not skin color, genetic and geographical proximity if you will.
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:59 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I would like to know this too.

Why can't you just answer the question oz?
Well of course Apartheid was wrong,just as segregation was wrong here.

So quid pro quo Clarice....

I sit wrong NOW with the current gov.?
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Old 06-03-2010, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Long Beach
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I have decided that I will boycott the South Africa World Cup. Their genocide of the Afrikaners (White Africans) due to their racism against White people is the basis for my boycott.

I've noticed that Hollywood celebrities are spending their time selling their good deeds to the media (Hey look at me! I'm donating money to a good cause! Look at me!) in an attempt to gain a good image and hide their obvious stupidity. I've also noticed that none of their charitable donations goes to help the Afrikaners suffering at the hand of Black South Africans. Apparently, when it happens to White people, it doesn't really matter.

An attempt to help the Afrikaners escape this genocide would likely be labeled as "racist" by left and the mainstream media.
Yes, because people in South Africa care what a single person is Kentucky thinks about them.

Good use of your time, kudos.
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Old 06-03-2010, 11:02 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Not that the dutch government is dead I feel we can all take turns swinging the bat at it
I would think people who are so opposed to racism would seek out the institutional racism of the current gov. but perhaps personal bias gets in the way....

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Not nearly enough are leaving if the government is still making a priority to discriminate against them. I think the dutch could truly show them what they think about the new racist government by using their feet.
How many have left?

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Nothing more painful than your citizens jumping ship eh?
Quite true just look at how majority rule in Zimbabwe is doing....



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I condemn the current government for having people like Malema around.
And the racist laws?
You letting those slide?
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Old 06-03-2010, 11:06 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Actually there was quite a lot of mixing between Bantus and Bushmen. Mandela himself is mixed.
I don't share your interpretation of the term native.
There used to be North Africans here on the Iberian peninsula for centuries, but they were finally expelled because they did not belong here. They were not at all considered natives just because they had been here for centuries.
That also happened in the 15th century...are you proposing that peoples and nations go back to such times?

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I see a clear hierarchy here, the Bushmen are the only legitimate owners of the land, then come the Bantus, and only then the Afrikaners and other whites, Indians etc.
SO a tiered society where some are valued more highly than others...well I can see how that is much different to Apartheid...

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Again, what you don't realize is that I am not in favor of expelling anyone, nor of taking away EVERYTHING from whites and Indians in Africa, BUT taking away their excess wealth that is based upon the crimes of the past centuries.
People of today should be punished for the sins of their ancestors...interesting.
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