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Old 02-08-2014, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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I don't give a crap about money and I resent being forced to. Pieces of metal and sheets of paper that I can't make, yet that I need to live? That's garbage. I don't accept.

My focus right now is on finding a wife.

Why doesn't the world just let me live my life and trust I'll contribute to it in my own way? Instead, why does it want to make me hungry, cold, and destitute if I don't do as it wants me to? Who is making those rules? And what makes him think he gets to?

Someone may die because of this. Me. Or someone.
If you marry, you will need to think even harder about not working. Is your plan to have your wife work and support you?

You have to work to support yourself, and you are not a special person who hates work so much that you get a free pass.

I don't understand the line "someone may die because of this. . . " If you are thinking of doing violence to yourself or others, please find help for yourself ASAP. Do you want to leave your mother bereft and mourning? Do you want to leave this world before you have made your mark? Fathered children? Had the best day of your life? Or do you want to hurt someone else because you are hurting?

Most of us here have indeed worked jobs we did not like. You are not unique in this. You need to find a way to tolerate the job or to find something else to do. But extremely few of us get a free pass to exist without working for our own support.
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Old 02-08-2014, 10:05 PM
 
Location: earth?
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I'm really confused as to why I must give up my time to another in order to be able to eat, live, and clothe myself. I'm on this giant ball with a bunch of other monkeys...and one day I will not be here at all...my time is slowly passing me by, leading me to inevitable nothingness...and you think for one second I'm going to allow any person or any group of people dictate what I must do with my time? It doesn't make sense to me that I have to spend half of my waking life doing something I don't want to do...in a routine...or else I'll be relegated to the streets...hungry, dirty and cold.

Don't get me wrong...I can be a hard worker..but it's on my terms, doing what I want, and getting money because of it has never been the goal. I rather wake up and read...or visit friends and family...or spend time with my wife...or write...or try to solve a problem...or anticipate one...or come to a realization, learn something..or meditate. I even like to think on how to cure cancer, or eradicate homelessness, or eliminate poverty. That's what I like to do, but I like to do those things when and how I want to, and not have them as responsibilities tied to me not eating if I don't.

So explain it to me why I don't get to live the life I want to live.

I've almost killed myself because of this...being told how I must live my life, or else end up homeless, up hungry and cold. I just can't bring myself to not live every second of my life exactly how I want to and when backed into a corner, I've nearly ended it.

I'm 24. Degreed. Have a business. Internship experience. And working experience. So, I'm not lazy. Or maybe I am...

I just don't want to do something I don't want to do for the next 40 years of my life. I mean, I'm dying here...I need to live my life. It's the only chance I'll get to, and someone dare make it so that I can't?

I hate it. I've shown up to work with tears streaming from my face, I hate it so much.

Advice? Other than go to a shrink and swallow a bunch of happy pills? This is no life at all.
I haven't read the thread, but you have a business that you hate? Why would you go into a business you hate? That makes no sense. How about creating a business that you love, or at least like? That seems like the obvious solution. I must be missing something.
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Old 02-08-2014, 11:56 PM
 
Location: CA
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In order to do what you want, you do need to eat & somewhere safe/warm to sleep as basic survival. But beyond that, a lot is not necessary, even if we're being sold that it is.

Decide for yourself what is necessary for the life you want. Then live as simply as you can within those bounds. You will find yourself needing less income & having more time for your real passions. That also means determining how to pursue passions without spending a lot of money. You absolutely MUST be creative, which it sounds like you are, from your general way of looking at life.

Once you free your mind of certain constructs that say you must do X to achieve Y, then you can make your own formula. I quit my 9-5 & work for myself doing location independent work, almost 20 hours less a week, and I make about the same money. There is NO security, but the security of being an employee is not real either. My job is no longer the central part of my life at all, and sometimes I actually can enjoy it because of that. I do put more spiritual & altruistic pursuits as my focus, and I feel this is why the material stuff falls into place; there's a faith involved.

My mind is not totally freed from any consumerist desires or social pressures, but I admire people who do stuff like live out of van & never buy anything brand new. I already reject the idea that money is security. Give me my bread for the day; me & my faith are what make me secure, not money.

I don't think I desire to get to the point of being totally anti-consumerism or an ascetic, but I choose to live pretty simply compared to most. I don't have TV. I don't have many modern conveniences like a microwave or dishwasher. My vice IS clothes, but I don't shop like I used to & like to hit up thrift stores or estate sales for vintage finds on occasion. I carry the same cell phone for years & use my laptop til it dies (starting to die after 8 years), both which I use for my business. I fix/mend instead of replace a lot. So I'm not going without really. But I get by comfortably on a modest income & only working about 2.5 days a week. My schedule is very loose & flexible. I don't really have a routine as most would call it, but I do find some order desirable as chaos can get stressful at some point. Still, this is MY choice when I introduce order or routine.

The less I work & less I buy, the more I have been able to do stuff I actually want, like learn a new language, travel a bit more, volunteer, meditate, read & write more, etc. I even socialize more! Some of that even costs a little money, but when you subtract everyday stuff that are not true needs, then you end up being able to channel money differently.
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Old 02-10-2014, 04:32 AM
 
Location: kcmo
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He had to go to work.
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My focus right now is on finding a wife.
Umm.. that's unlikely to work out..

It's the same old game, yah know..? I'll be happy when I'm in vegas.. I'll be happy when I have this porshe.. it really doesn't last or work yah know..? but good luck with that!
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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lol


Umm.. that's unlikely to work out..

It's the same old game, yah know..? I'll be happy when I'm in vegas.. I'll be happy when I have this porshe.. it really doesn't last or work yah know..? but good luck with that!
woah woah woah, that's not my focus!!!!!
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:58 AM
 
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yeah, living poor, isolated in one place , never having anything and never seeing the world.

how peaceful and happy...
They saw plenty of the world. Before the advent of the vehicle, a horse-drawn buggy that took a day's ride or more, was the main option for travel except railroad.
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:43 AM
 
Location: NYC
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I think you should either move out to the wilderness where you can have the freedom to do whatever you want or learn to sacrifice a bit of your personal time and freedom because most of what you say you enjoy in life had to be built by someone else who contributed to society.
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Colorado Plateau
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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I don't give a crap about money and I resent being forced to. Pieces of metal and sheets of paper that I can't make, yet that I need to live? That's garbage. I don't accept.

My focus right now is on finding a wife.

Why doesn't the world just let me live my life and trust I'll contribute to it in my own way? Instead, why does it want to make me hungry, cold, and destitute if I don't do as it wants me to? Who is making those rules? And what makes him think he gets to?

Someone may die because of this. Me. Or someone.
Here are your choices:

1) go deep in to the forest and live, build your own shelter, get your own food, get your own water, and do what you want to do. See how long that lasts.

2) accept that if you want any of the creature comforts that society has to offer, you're going to have to earn them.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. That's reality, and it's harsh.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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Calm down and take a deep breath.

While it would be nice if we could all lay around all day eating and copulating without worrying about where our food, clothing and shelter were coming from, that isn't the way the world works. Someone has to plant crops, raise livestock, cook, etc. so we can eat. Someone has to weave and sew so we have clothes to wear. Someone has to build houses so we have shelter.

The good news is, there are also plenty of people who make a living in other ways. Some people write about their thoughts, and sell those writings to others in the form of books, movie scripts, blogs or whatever. Maybe that is more your style.

You've got to find what works for you (no pun intended).
Good post, great advice, AV8N. Last sentence cracked me up!

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