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I see, the thread is 48 pages long. I tried to hit certain pages to get an idea, but all the pages past the halfway mark seemed to be talking about speeds people are getting, and modem talk.
I never said AT&T, but I have to call shouting, screaming, yelling BS on the Google thing. Whatever their motives, Google is doing something equivalent to the creation of the US highway system. Sure, maybe they just have a very "end game" view of this investment, but there is no doubt that internet speeds would not be anything like they are today if not for Google Fiber. Google is THE reason Centurylink is providing fiber in my neighborhood, not technology being ready. Technology has been ready for 10-20 years. Google should get a damn humanitarian reward, or a Nobel Peace Prize for this. The telcos and cable companies would not have done this, because there was no reason to. They were all making money, with basically status quo being accepted. Same thing happened in the smartphone market. Even if you hate Apple and love Android, you have to thank Apple for coming in and getting the intense competition started, forcing companies to start innovating and advancing the technology at a rate we had never seen before.
We disagree.
GOOG is nearly money-laundering.
I don't think that TWC has ever sent trucks down streets to harvest home and business wifi information. GOOG has and it makes it hard to admire them.
We disagree.
GOOG is nearly money-laundering.
I don't think that TWC has ever sent trucks down streets to harvest home and business wifi information. GOOG has and it makes it hard to admire them.
What else do you have other than that one thing. That one thing was also blown out of proportion by people like Fox News and other idiot news sources.
The love for Google Fiber is not hard to understand.
When you look at the incumbent ISP's, they've always had a pretty clear game plan for increasing profits. They are gradually instituting broadband data caps, while planning to make an exception for their own video services. Additionally, they are charging video providers higher interconnection fees to serve customers on their network. And finally, broadband providers have been lowering capital expenditures on speed upgrades for many years, especially where competition is limited.
These actions taken by ISP's threatened to harm both Google and the broadband consumer, and Google Fiber was born out of this shared interest. Google doesn't want an environment where people are worried about playing an HD youtube video because of their broadband data cap. They want people to do more stuff on the Internet.
It seems I need to get my own router/modem. What's relatively cost effective, works well w great range, and can support their max service (300?)?
Mine sucks now. Whatever 4th modem/router combo they gave me. Have to reset every other day (just drops and doesnt come back), speeds are inconsistent, and range is OK but not great. I'd like to be able to comfortably roam 5000sq ft (IE in the yard too) without an issue.
TWC has a list of approved modems for use with each of it's internet tiers:
Whoops! My Bad. That appears to be the NY Times.
While highly biased, albeit in opposition to Fox News, they are hardly idiots.
I don't think you have the technical understanding to get this, but I will try and explain. It's much like how people complain about the street view cars taking pictures of them naked in front of their windows. If you're going to stand naked in the wind, expect to get your picture taken. If you have your network wide open, expect someone to see it. Google wasn't hacking people's networks, people were being stupid. Google was just sucking up any and all information, and they happened to catch "private" data as a result. Nowhere has there been shown proof that there was intent to get that stuff. It's like prosecuting someone for child porn because their security camera caught some kids having sex, it makes no sense. Google showed no proof that they tried to utilize this data. If employees did, that's on them, but in the end people who leave their networks wide open should expect that their data is no longer PRIVATE.
I don't think you have the technical understanding to get this, but I will try and explain. It's much like how people complain about the street view cars taking pictures of them naked in front of their windows. If you're going to stand naked in the wind, expect to get your picture taken. If you have your network wide open, expect someone to see it. Google wasn't hacking people's networks, people were being stupid. Google was just sucking up any and all information, and they happened to catch "private" data as a result. Nowhere has there been shown proof that there was intent to get that stuff. It's like prosecuting someone for child porn because their security camera caught some kids having sex, it makes no sense. Google showed no proof that they tried to utilize this data. If employees did, that's on them, but in the end people who leave their networks wide open should expect that their data is no longer PRIVATE.
LOL
If the neighbor is nekkid, and I notice, I'm innocent.
If the neighbor is nekkid, and I slip up and look in the window for a thrill, I'm a voyeur.
If the neighbor is nekkid, and I lurk in the street or behind the bushes with my Nikon and a telephoto lens, to record that event and store the images away in secret, I'm pretty much a pervert.
It is all about ME being responsible for MY actions.
However the GOOG apologists spin it, that mammothly profitable enterprise's culture does not qualify under the first description. So, somewhere between a peeper and perverted? How admirable.
They proactively, with the consent of senior management, and without compunction, deployed the gear into the streets to collect stuff. And, no one blew the whistle, despite many people knowing. Then the corporation lied about the situation and obstructed investigations.
A corrupt company cannot blame employees. The blame goes straight up the management ladder.
"Don't be evil?"
Nope. "Don't be caught."
But, GOOG passes out "free" baubles, so we lionize them. We would give them Manhattan island if we could.
Data and information is just a dirty business. I have no rose-colored lenses through which to view GOOG, TWC, or ATT.
If the neighbor is nekkid, and I notice, I'm innocent.
If the neighbor is nekkid, and I slip up and look in the window for a thrill, I'm a voyeur.
If the neighbor is nekkid, and I lurk in the street or behind the bushes with my Nikon and a telephoto lens, to record that event and store the images away in secret, I'm pretty much a pervert.
It is all about ME being responsible for MY actions.
However the GOOG apologists spin it, that mammothly profitable enterprise's culture does not qualify under the first description. So, somewhere between a peeper and perverted? How admirable.
They proactively, with the consent of senior management, and without compunction, deployed the gear into the streets to collect stuff. And, no one blew the whistle, despite many people knowing. Then the corporation lied about the situation and obstructed investigations.
A corrupt company cannot blame employees. The blame goes straight up the management ladder.
"Don't be evil?"
Nope. "Don't be caught."
But, GOOG passes out "free" baubles, so we lionize them. We would give them Manhattan island if we could.
Data and information is just a dirty business. I have no rose-colored lenses through which to view GOOG, TWC, or ATT.
Lots of Google love in the EU too, from just another disreputable rag ....
The EUEC certainly has an agenda, but Google didn't know? snip - "as far as Europe is concerned: We get it. We understand that people here are not the same in their attitudes to everything as people in America." Yep, just a bunch of wet behind the ears innocents from the colonies. Believe that at your peril ... 'cause they'll pull that trick on you too.
Mike and I are clearly in the minority here.... but Google's PR machine is arguably better than its search engine and some folks lap it up. Be careful out there ...
I see, the thread is 48 pages long. I tried to hit certain pages to get an idea, but all the pages past the halfway mark seemed to be talking about speeds people are getting, and modem talk.
I never said AT&T, but I have to call shouting, screaming, yelling BS on the Google thing. Whatever their motives, Google is doing something equivalent to the creation of the US highway system. Sure, maybe they just have a very "end game" view of this investment, but there is no doubt that internet speeds would not be anything like they are today if not for Google Fiber. Google is THE reason Centurylink is providing fiber in my neighborhood, not technology being ready. Technology has been ready for 10-20 years. Google should get a damn humanitarian reward, or a Nobel Peace Prize for this. The telcos and cable companies would not have done this, because there was no reason to. They were all making money, with basically status quo being accepted. Same thing happened in the smartphone market. Even if you hate Apple and love Android, you have to thank Apple for coming in and getting the intense competition started, forcing companies to start innovating and advancing the technology at a rate we had never seen before.
If the telcos/cable companies were to pick and choose their deployments as selectively as Google they would be accused of cherry picking locations. Actually, strike the "if"
It all hinges on the spin you choose to believe, but clearly they've sold you. Personally I'll be waiting and deciding based on data a bit more tangible. But I'm left brained like that
Frank
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