No God More Suicide - US Suicide Rate Increases 24% (agnostics, Muslim, Biblical)
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NOT, he claimed to be christian, so christian is how he died..
Nothing derogatory to say about Koresh huh?
Jim Jones was a huckster who pretended to be Christian to fool his followers . He quickly figured out he could scam them. But privately he admitted to being atheist or agnostic . Strangely he was extremely dedicated to civil rights in a time when you took a lot of crap for that .
So the two claims made in the OP are shown to be wrong. If Jones was secretly an atheist then go none of his Christian followers deaths count as suicide by Christians?
So the two claims made in the OP are shown to be wrong. If Jones was secretly an atheist then go none of his Christian followers deaths count as suicide by Christians?
I think considering Jones followers Christians is a stretch . They were cultists who let Jones have sex with their husbands and wives, and who willingly killed their children and then themselves .
While the No True Scitsman fallacy is validly asserted most of the time with folks like the WBC , considering Joneses followers any sort of normal Christian sect is way out there . Basic Christianity is sometimes whacked out , but it generally stays away from severe cult like activity .
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You would find a lot less 'mockery' as you say if you follow this advise. We can still agree to disagree.
Yea, Cupper has done this plenty of times, misinterpreting is his middle name.
It's completely obvious why there is a high suicide rate in the US - easy access to guns. The majority of gun deaths in this country are suicides.
The suicide rate per capita in the US is almost exactly twice that of the UK. Yet the UK has at least twice as many atheists as the US. So that blows your theory completely out of the water.
If your mission is to rail against atheists, please check all your facts and make sure your conclusion is sound and logical. Otherwise it will look to you that we are picking on you when we are just correcting your conclusion and logic.
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
Another example of atheist mockery. Mean atheist = mockery. Funny that in your attempt to pick at me, you only prove my point even more.
But if Jeff's point was to raise an interesting topic for discussion then it's a good topic.
No Jeff, we are not out to pick on you, we are out to correct the conclusion that you inferred in your OP. We are doing that by checking the facts and presenting them on your thread. Judging by the rate of responses, it is a very successful thread. You do actually have a point.
It would be interesting to learn the ratio of the religious suicide rate to non-religious suicide rate. My son was not religious and I have wondered whether being religious would have made any difference in his case. Certainly his mothers prayers didn't help any but that only indicates that prayer doesn't work. But would having religious convictions have helped?
NOT, he claimed to be christian, so christian is how he died..
Nothing derogatory to say about Koresh huh?
Prove it. I'm not going to take your word that he was a Christian when practically every website I've finding on the topic says he was an atheist, and I posted a quote yesterday where he himself declared to be an atheist. Claiming to be a Christian doesn't mean you are a Christian.
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