No God More Suicide - US Suicide Rate Increases 24% (Isaac, Jacob, worship)
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There are more in Christianity doing something for the starving than the secular has ever done .
What about people who vote a certain way? Look at Bernie Sanders. Rather you agree with his solutions or if you think his plans will even pan out, his goal is to address poverty in the US by getting people out of it. He's Jewish, and probably a secular Jew at that. Many people across the world think like him or do things for people who do. They partake in a secular election for secular reasons. Europe is a prime example of this. Denmark is among the least religious countries and it's government has done quite a lot to address poverty and increasing people's standard of living.
Children straving, who helps the most, none of this is on topic. The OP claimed that less religious nations had more suicide and that the USA suicide rate was quickly increasing with an increase in the percentage of non believers. His conclusion was that suicide and atheismwere tied at the hip. Statistics do not agree with his conclusion. The OP refuses to accept any evidence that does not agree with his assumption and even disregarded the wording in the paper he linked to.
The statistics and facts most certainly agree with my position. The part that you claim doesn't agree was nothing more than opinion based. Bottom line, you haven't offered anything substantial to defeat my OP.
The frustration is that this is an area that science has done little research on and lots of questions remain. Maybe they are too afraid of having to admit that having faith is good for a person's state of mental health.
"Without alcohol, life is meaningless and not worth living."
"Without cocaine, life is meaningless and not worth living."
"Without heroin, life is meaningless and not worth living."
"Without God, life is meaningless and not worth living."
The opiate of the masses. Marx was more right than he knew.
Freak hits the nail on the head here.
Even if we accept that lack of religion is the cause of suicide rate increases (which it isnt btw)....telling me that we need more religion is like saying all we need is more delusion to obfuscate the harshness of reality.
This suggests to me that we aren't actually willing to engage in reality. Not fully anyway. We hold silly axioms and failed ideologies up as our false idols of promise. And we blame somebody or something for the woes that we encounter when those false ideologies don't actually work.
How about we start solving suicide rates the same way we solve our other real problems? By dealing with the very real and obscene (but ultimately solvable) inequities we continue to find excuses to dismiss them with. We have a social pact with each other, whether we want it or choose to ignore it...so why don't we stop acting like we can't solve world hunger, massive income disparity, and livable conditions for everybody because that would be socialism (or some other bogeyman term)?
If you believe the bible stories....it's what Jesus would do.
The statistics and facts most certainly agree with my position. The part that you claim doesn't agree was nothing more than opinion based. Bottom line, you haven't offered anything substantial to defeat my OP.
The frustration is that this is an area that science has done little research on and lots of questions remain. Maybe they are too afraid of having to admit that having faith is good for a person's state of mental health.
I already pointed out to you that they don't. You ignored it, which I've had interactions with you before and that usually how that goes. A point that can't be easily twisted into a 'you hate Christians' comment is ignored.
So I'll point out again that the very article you link as a support of your claim quite clearly disagrees with it.
The statistics and facts most certainly agree with my position. The part that you claim doesn't agree was nothing more than opinion based. Bottom line, you haven't offered anything substantial to defeat my OP.
The frustration is that this is an area that science has done little research on and lots of questions remain. Maybe they are too afraid of having to admit that having faith is good for a person's state of mental health.
Please explain how clinging to ancient superstitions can be good for a person's state of mental health?
The statistics and facts most certainly agree with my position. The part that you claim doesn't agree was nothing more than opinion based. Bottom line, you haven't offered anything substantial to defeat my OP.
The frustration is that this is an area that science has done little research on and lots of questions remain. Maybe they are too afraid of having to admit that having faith is good for a person's state of mental health.
If you honestly believe that the statistics you were provided agree with your position then there is little point having any discussion with facts with you. I have been extremely polite and careful with my words with you due to your quickness to feel attacked but this time I will say it bluntly, the only way the statistics agree with you on this topic is either you are incompetent in understanding stats or facts or your anti atheist bigotry blinds you to what you see.
In the list of country's suicide list there is no correlation between religion or lack of religion and suicides other than with some lislamic theocracies. Your claim that if atheism was not tied to suicides those nations would be on the bottom of the list is downright ridiculous, and would only indicate that atheism does not prevent suicides. You do get attacked or I should say your ideas get attacked because you make inflammatory statements when you are shown that you do not understand what you are posting.
I showed you that the USA suicide rate over the last 60 years has been fairly flat and that in the list of suicides countries with low amount of religion are all over the list as are countries with high religion which shows little if any correlation. If no correlation it is hard to prove cause and effect. I totally disproved both your statements with facts. You don't like that tough you were wrong. A further note I never said that religion lead to suicide either, I said that from the facts we have your statements and conclusion were shown to be invalid.
Last edited by mensaguy; 04-24-2016 at 12:03 PM..
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Even if atheism drives people to the depths of despair, that doesn't imply that God must be real. All contemplative atheists understand that people feel that they need religion in order to feel that their life is meaningful and worth living. So it wouldn't be entirely surprising if people who do not have that to cling to commit suicide at a slightly higher rate. Although many former theists would have believed that life without faith in God wasn't worth living, only to find that life was actually more fulfilling when one created one's own sense of meaning.
That image is heart rending, yet as is being implied, God does nothing.
It seems that the suicide rate may somewhat higher among atheists in some countries at least. What this tell us that Christians or religious people do commit suicide. The blows the argument that God only helps believers right out of the water. God helps no one.
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