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Old 12-04-2008, 12:08 PM
 
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What inconsistencies are in the Bible? My Bible taken in the proper context has none.
I trust the Holy Spirit was guiding the authors in their writings.

I suspect, Lakeland, that were we to go much further we would devolve into discussions of what constitutes "proper context".
What it comes down to, ultimately, is pure, unadulterated faith. Which is not a bad thing, necessarily.
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:09 PM
 
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I know alot of people who did all that and got saved. And they're still the biggest bunch of back-stabbers, gossiping jerks that walk the face of the earth. And still have the nerve to look down at others in thier own self righteous ways, and most of them are church MEMBERS. And I was related to a bunch of them in Fayetteville, North Carolina, my ex-wifes family.

No pun intended at you I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA, just my view-point.
You're so right. That's why the whole "ask" Jesus into your heart thing just doesn't totally make sense. Then you've got to ask yourself which one these is more important:
Ephesians 2: 8-9 Fory by grace ye are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast.
Or
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead.

So which is it??? Faith alone or Faith plus Works?
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Old 12-04-2008, 01:15 PM
 
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You're so right. That's why the whole "ask" Jesus into your heart thing just doesn't totally make sense. Then you've got to ask yourself which one these is more important:
Ephesians 2: 8-9 Fory by grace ye are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast.
Or
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead.

So which is it??? Faith alone or Faith plus Works?
I would say, BOTH.
When you have faith you walk the walk, and when can walk the walk, then you can show others how to do so. But not in a judgmental way. And you don't do it to be able to say, "look at what I did, or what can do". Being humble in nature like Christ was is the right thing to do.

If others do you wrong or don't live the way you think God wants them too. You don't stand there and shaking a fist or the Bible at them, yelling, or mumbling under your breath, "God will get you for that". Now you have just became "Judgmental, and your as wrong as they are.
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Old 12-04-2008, 01:26 PM
 
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You're so right. That's why the whole "ask" Jesus into your heart thing just doesn't totally make sense. Then you've got to ask yourself which one these is more important:
Ephesians 2: 8-9 Fory by grace ye are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast.
Or
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead.

So which is it??? Faith alone or Faith plus Works?
True saving faith (salvation) will produce good works. Faith without works means that a person is not truly saved.

Matthew 13:23-But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Matthew 7:21-Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

The will of the Father is to accept the free gift of salvation.
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Old 12-04-2008, 03:08 PM
 
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So if one technically believes in Jesus, ya know the whole ask Jesus into your heart and all that, but does nothing else.....???
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Old 12-04-2008, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Pilot Point, TX
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So if one technically believes in Jesus, ya know the whole ask Jesus into your heart and all that, but does nothing else.....???
It's a double sided coin - Jesus said, "If you love me, you'll keep my commandments." (Jn 14:15)

Heads - "Loving" Him is a real relationship starter, and you would long to please someone you love, right?

Tails - this is the dynamic that people need to understand: He changes people. What He is saying here is that a direct result from that relationship is a changed person...you will live differently because His life in you will cause you to please Him. (Ezek 36:27)
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Old 12-04-2008, 06:53 PM
 
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Tails - this is the dynamic that people need to understand: He changes people. What He is saying here is that a direct result from that relationship is a changed person...you will live differently because His life in you will cause you to please Him. (Ezek 36:27)
If this is indeed the case, the Jehovah's Witnesses may be onto something with their belief that only 144,000 are getting into heaven. Because frankly, hose who claim Christianity aren't, IME, any improvement over the Great Unwashed rest of us.
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Old 12-04-2008, 07:05 PM
 
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I know alot of people who did all that and got saved. And they're still the biggest bunch of back-stabbers, gossiping jerks that walk the face of the earth. And still have the nerve to look down at others in thier own self righteous ways, and most of them are church MEMBERS. And I was related to a bunch of them in Fayetteville, North Carolina, my ex-wifes family.

No pun intended at you I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA, just my view-point.
And those people will have to give an account of their actions before God someday.
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Old 12-04-2008, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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If this is indeed the case, the Jehovah's Witnesses may be onto something with their belief that only 144,000 are getting into heaven. Because frankly, hose who claim Christianity aren't, IME, any improvement over the Great Unwashed rest of us.
Actually that figure (144,000 ) is in the bible.
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Old 12-04-2008, 08:27 PM
 
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Actually that figure (144,000 ) is in the bible.
I thought it was, somewhere, but the Witnesses seem to be the only ones hanging on to it.
I think everybody else is having a tough time reconciling the "whosoever believeth in me shall not perish" thing with 144K...because Christendom sure has a bunch more people in its ranks than that. Shoot, even the Church of Christ, which generally assumes that anyone who isn't them is damned, has way more than a couple hundred thousand members.
Oops.
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