Struggling with homosexuality... (grace, myths, believing, heaven)
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I am not attempting to "convert" gay people to straight, although if someone who is gay reads my post and feels conviction for the sin in their life and decides to accept what Jesus did on the cross to cover their sins and the turn from their wicked ways, then fine. I will happily accept the concequences of more people coming to Christ "being converted" by my words. But the OP is about a Christian who is experiencing desires for the same sex. This is a Christian matter and this person needs to see the love of the Father in their life helping to cope with these sinful desires.
I think that your accusations against me are unwarranted. I don't think telling people of their sin cause abnormal high suicide rates (I think this would be difficult to prove, since we would have to specifically tell a group of homosexuals about their sin and have another control group of the same demographics and compare suicide rates after a certain amount of time). I think those commiting suicide (which is murder and the breaking of an entirely separate Commandment) need to seek council for other issues.
By saying "wicked ways" and claiming that homosexuality is "sin", yes, you are contributing to the problem of suicide in young gay people. See, you just don't get it. Being gay isn't some "lifestyle choice" or "addiction issue". It's just who people are, the way they were created. When someone is raised in extreme fundamentalist Christianity, can you possibly understand the inner war they go through? This knowledge that on the one hand, you're gay and you know you did nothing to cause it, and on the other hand, your family, friends, and church telling you this is "wicked sin"? It creates a horrible cognative dissonance that leads to self hatred, misery, and unfortunately a higher than average suicide rate. And there are plenty of studies and statistics to back this up.
I stand by my opinion that many people use their religion to cloak their bigotry and hatred of gay people. It's very sad.
It seems to me you think you're the only one who should be able to preach your belief as fact. Just because you read something in a book/Bible doesn't give you license to broadcast it as fact.
I don't know why gays weigh so heavily when you have Christian teenage mothers in your own community whose offspring are the result of practicing abstinence. Christians need to tend to their own backyard when addressing the ills of fornication. Another irony here, is the high Christian adultery rate leading to the high Christian divorce rate, yet they are against gay marriage. Two people in love want to marry each other and as a Christian, you are in no position to throw stones.
By saying "wicked ways" and claiming that homosexuality is "sin", yes, you are contributing to the problem of suicide in young gay people. See, you just don't get it. Being gay isn't some "lifestyle choice" or "addiction issue". It's just who people are, the way they were created. When someone is raised in extreme fundamentalist Christianity, can you possibly understand the inner war they go through? This knowledge that on the one hand, you're gay and you know you did nothing to cause it, and on the other hand, your family, friends, and church telling you this is "wicked sin"? It creates a horrible cognative dissonance that leads to self hatred, misery, and unfortunately a higher than average suicide rate. And there are plenty of studies and statistics to back this up.
I stand by my opinion that many people use their religion to cloak their bigotry and hatred of gay people. It's very sad.
Or my belief is enough to just say its wrong. No hatred, i've told you this before.
The only place i talk about this subject is with my kids and this forum.
Occasionally when someone brings up some gay agenda stuff in their public school, i'll say you should homeschool, cuz it's only gonna get worse, that's all. No big agenda to tell the gays what to do. Just stating my belief.
You really need to talk to someone. You can begin by forming relationships and friendships with your fellow Christians. You need to test these relations if you can trust them. Start by asking questions about other issues with being a Christian. Ultimately you will need to find people that you can talk to about your desires. The bible says confess your sins one to another. This will enable you to conquer these desires and form an acountability partner that will help you to stay faithful to God.
Homosexuality is a sin, just like stealing is a sin. In the ten commandments it says thou shalt not commit adultry. This is just a fancy way of saying don't have any sex with anyone out of a marriage relationship and the only marriage relationship is one between one man and one woman. So homosexuality is not worse than anything else, but as a sin it needs to be delt with.
If you find Christians who are not understanding with other things as you talk to them or they appear to be hostile towards Homosexuals, then these are not Christians. The bible says that Love covers a multitude of sin. Not so the person can keep sinning, but so they can find forgiveness and healing. Remember that Jesus said the two greatest commandments are these; love the lord your God with all your heart and soul and mind and the seccond is like unto this, love your neighbor as yourself. So Christ said that upon these two COMMANDMENTS to love hung all of the law and of the prophetic (Basically all of the bible rests on these two things). So, as Christians we are commanded to love.
I hope that you will find the Christian relationships (whether pastors or friends) that will help you through this tough time in your life.
Homesexuality is a sin(only in the eyes of the church).Stealing is the act of taking from someone which directly effects that person, whereas being gay is who you are.People aren't converted they're either gay or straight so the fact that you consider the two the same is "pure ignorance". Also by using the line that you need to form relationships with your fellow christians means your a bigot. You know what makes the USA and other countries so good,is that besides religious differences,or color,or sexual preference that we can all get along.My people were rounded up and thrown in concentration camps and actually one side of my family was almost entirely murdered---now thats a crime or sin as you would put it. You need to get off your soapbox about what the bible says and realize not everyone has to be like you to be a good "PERSON" not a christian. If a gay person is a good neighbor and not stealing from you,guess what? No sin!!!Because you're a christian doesn't mean that your way is right! One more thing----Jesus was jewish and considering the Old Testament is the true bible,maybe you should realize that considering my book was updated and became the New Testament; maybe it's time to revamp YOUR BOOK so it actually is up to date with modern day society!!!
First of all, you insult me by saying that my 14 year relationship is only "lust". No one lusts someone else for 14 years! I won't try to get into someone else's mind and decide whether their "love" is true or correct, so I don't know how you can claim to do that.
Many relationship are based merely on lust, why do you think people divorce after many years of marriage, its because the lust has run out. But love is different it never runs out because it is a constant work in progress.
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And second, I guess you speak for God by claiming God doesn't recognize all the same sex marriages in this country. How do you know? I'm not legally married, becuase I can't be. But I certainly consider myself married.
I do not need to speak for God, He has already spoken thru His word.
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I prayed to God for years to bring me that one female who I would be able to fall in love with, but he didn't. That's because there isn't one on this planet!
You do not fall in love, you fall in lust and hopefully develop love along the way.
Many relationship are based merely on lust, why do you think people divorce after many years of marriage, its because the lust has run out. But love is different it never runs out because it is a constant work in progress.
I do not need to speak for God, He has already spoken thru His word.
You do not fall in love, you fall in lust and hopefully develop love along the way.
Love does run out if your perception of a person is false.Also g-d's words were written in a book by man and if you make friends with someone and eventually you have feelings,where is the lust? Love does not develop out of lust---each and EVERY relationship we make is different and develops differently.
Well, I didn't read the entire thread but I can see that it's alreday derailing into everyone posting their agenda.
To the OP:
The simple and straight forward answer is to move to a place where you are allowed to be yourself. Do not tell your family or anyone in your church your secret. Just move. Once you have reached your destination and are secure and happy with yourself then you can share your TRUE self with your family and any other loved ones at home. If they chose to accept you, so be it. If not, so be it.
There are plenty of people who are chastised by their family and peers and even society for being different. They are nerds, geeks, gay, of different cultures who have different colored skin or speak different languages, they are even chastised for the religion they chose to practice.
Look at it this way: If god is trully there then it's HE who has allowed enough of his children to have tolerance for each other so that they may get along despite their many differences and, if he trully loves you, then he wants you to live happily and enjoy this beautiful world that he has created for you. Don't insult him by being miserable.
Against my better judgment, I'm reopening this thread.
I'm glad you did. I made an inappropriate post myself after getting worked up about this subject but bchris02 asked us to behave ourselves so it wouldn't be closed and I think we should respect his request. Thanks.
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