Another shooting/stabbing. (Providence: manufacturing, gas, roach)
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Independent Man, about a year ago, we had a discussion about the Mt Hope and Hope neighborhoods. See below. And then look at massnative's map. As you'll see, there are zero problems in Hope. Mt. Hope is loaded.
Hope is mostly fine. Which streets are you considering?
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Originally Posted by independent man
Largely a distinction without a difference. The neighborhoods back up to each other. The difference lies mostly in the proximity to Hope Street as opposed to North Main or I-95. East or West of Hope Street is a bigger division of the East Side than Hope or Mt. Hope.
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Originally Posted by redplum33
There most certainly is a distinction between Hope and Mt Hope.
Mt Hope goes from Olney to Rochambeau. Hope goes from Rochambeau to the Pawtucket line.
Mt Hope should be avoided. Hope is nicer, but it's better when closer to Hope Street than North Main.
And while I completely agree with you that east or west of Hope Street is what really matters when looking at East Side properties, that's irrelevant here because all of both Hope and Mt Hope are west of Hope Street.
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Originally Posted by independent man
We'll just have to agree about Hope Street & disagree about the distinction between the Mt. Hope & Hope neighborhoods. And, leave any opinion of relevance to the OP.
One thing I forgot to note is that I refrained from displaying incidents reported at institutions (primarily RIH, RWH, VA and the court house), as most of those crimes did not actually take place where they were reported or otherwise would have skewed the picture.
A few more takeaways of my own. And yes no real surprises here, to most of us anyway:
• Wayland and Reservoir have zero incidents logged to this date. Blackstone neighborhood only has one.
• The usual notorious projects (Chad Brown, Hartford, Manton Heights, University Heights, Wiggins Village) are all magnets.
• While Federal Hill is not without violence, as redplum has very well stated in the past Westminster St. is a big "divide".
• While most of the violence in Elmhurst is relegated to the edges, there is a fair amount of activity centered along River Ave.
Last edited by massnative71; 10-22-2020 at 07:29 AM..
The map pretty much shows what some of us have been saying all along.
No problems east of Hope Street.
No problems in the part of Mt Pleasant near RIC. The other part of Mt Pleasant has become awful.
Very few problems (but more than expected) in Elmhurst. The edges of Elmhurst (other than the Mt. Pleasant side) are horrible.
The Broadway part of Federal Hill isn't crime-free but it's fine.
The North End (Wanskuck/Charles) is terrible.
Everything south of (and including) Westminster Street is garbage.
Everything west of Route 10 is trash.
And this is a surprise to any of you? How many times have people (including myself) have said "check crime stats before buying in a neighborhood"? How many times have I said the PPD are ineffective and have been consistently during my existence here?
I just don't see this reporting as an obsessive occupation. All the other places on City Data have crime and none have these constant drum beat threads of every single incident.
I have also read zero on this forum from anyone about how they would solve the problem or even mitigate it.
I also don't see what you think you or the state or city will gain by having these places plummet in value and being more ghettoized. You only say you are "warning people". Do you own property in these neighborhoods? I assume you're good with your value plummeting?
Sorry, but I didn't come down in yesterday's rain- you have a hidden agenda here or OCD !.
And this is a surprise to any of you? How many times have people (including myself) have said "check crime stats before buying in a neighborhood"? How many times have I said the PPD are ineffective and have been consistently during my existence here?
I just don't see this reporting as an obsessive occupation. All the other places on City Data have crime and none have these constant drum beat threads of every single incident.
I have also read zero on this forum from anyone about how they would solve the problem or even mitigate it.
I also don't see what you think you or the state or city will gain by having these places plummet in value and being more ghettoized. You only say you are "warning people". Do you own property in these neighborhoods? I assume you're good with your value plummeting?
Sorry, but I didn't come down in yesterday's rain- you have a hidden agenda here or OCD !.
Holly you and I may know this stuff but to somebody inquiring from outside, it might not be so clear. Once again, people frequently come here asking which neighborhoods are safe and such, which is one of many purposes this thread serves (and it shows given the 8400+ views it has, and rapidly growing). You say people can check the crime stats, well PPD no longer maintains a crime map which is why I created this one.
Home values are what they are, and already reflect the local crime rates. There is a good reason why the same home on Blackstone Blvd. will be worth more than the one in Elmwood or Silver Lake. Besides Holly, didn't you say you moved to Oakland Beach which is in WARWICK? What is it to you, the home values in PROVIDENCE???
Boston did a lot of cleaning up by displacing people to Brockton. That didn't solve the problem; it just shifted some of it.
Should Providence tear down the projects and send people to Woonsocket and/or West Warwick?
Much of the violent crime in Providence today is the result of NYC doing the same sort of "displacing" that Boston did. Thugs from down there started moving up to RI in droves during the 90s. Maybe send them back to where they came from? I'm sure Mr. Deblasio would take them with open arms.
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Originally Posted by Hollytree
And this is a surprise to any of you? How many times have people (including myself) have said "check crime stats before buying in a neighborhood"? How many times have I said the PPD are ineffective and have been consistently during my existence here?
I just don't see this reporting as an obsessive occupation. All the other places on City Data have crime and none have these constant drum beat threads of every single incident.
It's Crime Obsessed Perversion Syndrome. It presents a fun-house mirror perspective that makes our city's crime out to be far worse than it is, promotes irrational fear, and actually contributes to the (relatively low compared with other cities) crime problem.
Rather than some almost-amateur crime map with no transparency about how it was created, better is https://www.crimemapping.com/map/agency/485. Data can be filtered and looks back six months if you are so inclined.
I am surprised to see zero incidents in Reservoir.
I think one of our forum members is probably surprised to see the stark contrast between Mt Hope and Hope.
And I'm guessing it may have been a bit of an eye opener for you, Holly. There are a lot of problems in the city, and they go well beyond just South Providence.
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Originally Posted by Hollytree
How many times have people (including myself) have said "check crime stats before buying in a neighborhood"?
massnative has clearly put in a massive amount of time and effort to put together a detailed Providence crime map that can't be found anywhere else. It is a fantastic resource.
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Originally Posted by Hollytree
All the other places on City Data have crime and none have these constant drum beat threads of every single incident.
Holly, are you a leader or a follower? I think we should strive to be better than the other forums on City Data. This thread is a prime example of how the RI forum excels.
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Originally Posted by Hollytree
Sorry, but I didn't come down in yesterday's rain- you have a hidden agenda here or OCD !.
Rather than some almost-amateur crime map with no transparency about how it was created
Are you kidding? massnative's map was compiled using the Providence Police Case Log, and it only includes serious violent crimes. It is color coded by month and goes back to February 2020. He has explained this.
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