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[pnwguy2]

Originally Posted by 41Willys

That is deceiving though. Because NYC is actually 5 cities. They call them bureaus, but they are actually cities! Staten Island is more suburbia than the rest.

Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens and Staten Island. Each with their share of homeless. So divide the NYC number by 5 and that would be more realistic.

With all due respect, that is non-sense. New York City's five "boroughs", (the proper spelling of that), make up the municipality of New York City. Please don't tell me that The Queens and Brooklyn are separated by any meaningful border, because they are not. They may be called "boroughs", and may have individual government officials, but they are all New York City.

[41Willys]

Originally Posted by pnwguy2

With all due respect, that is non-sense. New York City's five "boroughs", (the proper spelling of that), make up the municipality of New York City. Please don't tell me that The Queens and Brooklyn are separated by any meaningful border, because they are not. They may be called "boroughs", and may have individual government officials, but they are all New York City.

They are huge! Manhattan is separated by the rest with water, its an Island, and so is the Bronx and Staten Island. Queens and Brooklyn are actually on LI. But is vastly different from LI proper.

Seattle proper has 730,000 residents. (2018)

Manhattan has 1.6 million
The Bronx has 1.4 million
Brooklyn has 2.6 million
Queens has 2.3 million and staten Island has 500,000.

Which gives all of NYC 8.5 million. (2017)

They are ALL DIFFERENT! And very territorial ! Ask an Italian from Brooklyn if he is from Queens and he will laugh in your face. And vice-versa.

So as you can see the numbers are vastly different and paints a better picture of that graph.

West coast city's aren't that old. Seattle is a little over a 100 years old. NYC and surrounding cities were the first cities in America. And before America became America.

[Botev1912]

New York City is the largest city in the US. If these were separate cities, that wouldn't have been the case.

[41Willys]

Originally Posted by Botev1912

New York City is the largest city in the US. If these were separate cities, that wouldn't have been the case.

Technically yes. Im was being theoretical.

[pnwguy2]

Originally Posted by 41Willys

They are huge! Manhattan is separated by the rest with water, its an Island, and so is the Bronx and Staten Island. Queens and Brooklyn are actually on LI. But is vastly different from LI proper.

Seattle proper has 730,000 residents. (2018)

Manhattan has 1.6 million
The Bronx has 1.4 million
Brooklyn has 2.6 million
Queens has 2.3 million and staten Island has 500,000.

Which gives all of NYC 8.5 million. (2017)

They are ALL DIFFERENT! And very territorial ! Ask an Italian from Brooklyn if he is from Queens and he will laugh in your face. And vice-versa.

So as you can see the numbers are vastly different and paints a better picture of that graph.

West coast city's aren't that old. Seattle is a little over a 100 years old. NYC and surrounding cities were the first cities in America. And before America became America.

Seattle was established in 1869. So yeah, a bit over 100 years old, now like 150 years old. But that is neither here nor there.

But, to your point, Seattle is young compared to NYC. This city has gone through major ups and downs over this period. Boom and Bust. Right now, boom! Will it last? Likely, but history says no way.

[41Willys]

Originally Posted by pnwguy2

Seattle was established in 1869. So yeah, a bit over 100 years old, now like 150 years old. But that is neither here nor there.

But, to your point, Seattle is young compared to NYC. This city has gone through major ups and downs over this period. Boom and Bust. Right now, boom! Will it last? Likely, but history says no way.

I think the boom will get bigger! Much bigger!! Unfortunately....

But getting back to those big homeless numbers. NYC is freakin big! Manhattan alone has 17 different zip codes! Its why Im saying to break them down to each city. Not one gigantic one. Just to get a more realistic view.

[malcorub16]

Originally Posted by 41Willys

That is deceiving though. Because NYC is actually 5 cities. They call them bureaus, but they are actually cities! Staten Island is more suburbia than the rest.

Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens and Staten Island. Each with their share of homeless. So divide the NYC number by 5 and that would be more realistic.

You could argue the same thing about LA County and San Diego County which are compared against San Francisco (city is basically the County).
Getting an accurate census on the homeless is very difficult.

Sounds like you want Seattle to rank higher...which is not a good thing. And it was actually King County (pop 2.18 million) which is being cited.

[41Willys]

Originally Posted by malcorub16

You could argue the same thing about LA County and San Diego County which are compared against San Francisco (city is basically the County).
Getting an accurate census on the homeless is very difficult.

Sounds like you want Seattle to rank higher...which is not a good thing. And it was actually King County (pop 2.18 million) which is being cited.

Wrong. I just thought the NYC count was very high. Which it is.

[bergun]

Originally Posted by 41Willys

They are huge! Manhattan is separated by the rest with water, its an Island, and so is the Bronx and Staten Island. Queens and Brooklyn are actually on LI. But is vastly different from LI proper.

Seattle proper has 730,000 residents. (2018)

Manhattan has 1.6 million
The Bronx has 1.4 million
Brooklyn has 2.6 million
Queens has 2.3 million and staten Island has 500,000.

Which gives all of NYC 8.5 million. (2017)

They are ALL DIFFERENT! And very territorial ! Ask an Italian from Brooklyn if he is from Queens and he will laugh in your face. And vice-versa.

So as you can see the numbers are vastly different and paints a better picture of that graph.

West coast city's aren't that old. Seattle is a little over a 100 years old. NYC and surrounding cities were the first cities in America. And before America became America.

This is semi correct and I see where you're going with this 41 Willys and pretty much agree with you on this since New York City is a very unique city in its own rights.

I'm no expert, but I was required by my employment to live and work in NYC for 10 years. Yes, NYC is one city, but more like cities within a city, with their own independent seats of local governments. My wife is from Brooklyn and she will make it very clear that she's from Brooklyn, not New York City, as well as my youngest daughter, who was also born in NYC... I mean "Brooklyn!!" Tell somebody from Brooklyn, Queens, Manhatten, Bronx or Staten Island that they're all the same... You will get far more than some Seattle passive aggressiveness thrown at you!!

Our old mailing address was;
XXXX 30th Street
Brooklyn, NY 11232

But the cold hard fact is that New York City is ONE city.

For Seattle's land and population size, it's homeless issue simply is unmanageable. Especially when you're comparing NYC's budget(s) for the homeless services and shelters/bed space compared to Seattle. Plus, even with a very passive city government and population, the NYC Police Department, which the police are a critical part of any homeless/crime solution... IMHO, anywhere in the country.... Still enforces the law far more proactively than what the Seattle Police Department is currently doing now.... Case and point, if a homeless person urinates, in the open, on the corner of 5th and Pike, here in Seattle, nothing is going to happen to him... Even if the cops sees him in the act. Now do the same thing at the corner of 34th Street and 6th Avenue, you will definitely get a cop's attention within seconds. Along with a free ride to Rikers Island... A real jail that nobody what's to go to since there's a good chance you won't be leaving the island... Alive or in one piece, which to the homeless and criminals is a serious deterrent. Not saying it right or wrong, it's simple a sad fact of reality. Many harden criminals and tough guys/gals breakdown in tears as they're going across that little connecting bridge to the Island for their free 3 hots and a cot.

IMHO, it's now time for both the mayor and the city council to wake up. They need to show a united front with some REAL resolution that they're now going to get into this fight to save our city. Both the mayor's office and the city council NEED to give the Seattle Police Department's political appointees and the chief, new orders to start enforcing the laws and to take back our streets... And hold them, the streets, so it's not seen as some silly token temporary action that will be over in a week or two. But, to show its a serious operation and simply enforce the laws that are currently on the books... We don't need any new laws to do this since there is already enough laws to cover everything, several times over. If jail space is an issue, build a temporary "tent city" with a secured perimeter... If tents are good enough for our fighting men and women overseas, it's good enough for the criminal minded homeless population UNTIL the city, county and State can come up with a real solution to this problem... Plus, most are living in tents anyway, so it wouldn't be a shock to their system all. The only shock would come from them finally being held accountable for their own poor choices and actions. What a shocking ideal!!

[blahblahyoutoo]

would seattle be considered a leftist city?