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Old 04-29-2014, 12:36 PM
 
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I believe a draft distributes players to the teams in a fair way. Otherwise, you'd have all the best players wanting to go to Los Angeles and New York (or Miami).

I like the fact that Kansas City, Salt Lake City, and Columbus are good teams, and have the same chances and resources as the big markets.
The best young players don't come through the draft. They come from academies.
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Old 04-29-2014, 02:19 PM
 
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The best young players don't come through the draft. They come from academies.
Fine, but that's not the point. As I wrote before, there will still be quality players coming out of college who either didn't have access to academies or wanted to go to college. A draft is still appropriate to fairly distribute these players.
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Old 04-30-2014, 03:05 AM
 
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Fine, but that's not the point. As I wrote before, there will still be quality players coming out of college who either didn't have access to academies or wanted to go to college. A draft is still appropriate to fairly distribute these players.
Why?

IT IS NOT DONE THIS WAY ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE SOCCER WORLD.

So, make a case why you think its smart to do. I can list several reasons why its actually harmful to our development. But, you go first. State your case.
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Old 04-30-2014, 08:02 AM
 
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Why?

IT IS NOT DONE THIS WAY ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE SOCCER WORLD.

So, make a case why you think its smart to do. I can list several reasons why its actually harmful to our development. But, you go first. State your case.
I already did. For players coming out of college, they can be fairly assigned to teams through a draft process. This is much better than players choosing themselves and flocking to the big markets, causing an unfair advantage.

There will always be players that come through college, whether you like it or not. I doesn't matter if Europeans don't play soccer in college. Americans do.
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Old 04-30-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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I already did. For players coming out of college, they can be fairly assigned to teams through a draft process. This is much better than players choosing themselves and flocking to the big markets, causing an unfair advantage.

There will always be players that come through college, whether you like it or not. I doesn't matter if Europeans don't play soccer in college. Americans do.
Against that argument based on the current MLS model: There is a tight salary cap, if all players went to large markets they would not have a chance to play, while there would be ample opportunities in other markets. If you don't play, you don't make money. I see making that case for entrenched top tier free agents, but not for youth players.
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Old 04-30-2014, 10:24 AM
 
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One more point, I checked recent US TV soccer ratings, some good news, I couldn't find detailed ratings:

Premier League: Liverpool-Chelsea Game On NBCSN Most-Watched Early Match in U.S. History | World Soccer Talk

Liga MX is killing it: UniMás Broadcast of ‘El Súper Clásico’ Ranks As Most-Viewed Club Soccer Match In 2014 - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers

MLS, OK, but better: MLS Scores 283% Overnight Ratings Increase For 2014 Season Opener | World Soccer Talk
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Old 04-30-2014, 01:29 PM
 
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I already did. For players coming out of college, they can be fairly assigned to teams through a draft process. This is much better than players choosing themselves and flocking to the big markets, causing an unfair advantage.

There will always be players that come through college, whether you like it or not. I doesn't matter if Europeans don't play soccer in college. Americans do.

No sorry. You're not making a good argument for a draft in soccer. This is not the NFL or the NBA where a drafted player is looking at a million dollar salary. This is the MLS where drafted players will be making wages comparable to you and I. Why do you think its fair to force a player to start his career where MLS tells him to? It's harmful to his career. The best thing for his career is to choose which club suits his style and choose which club is closest to where he lives.

I'll use the example of Omar Salgado. Here was a 17 year old kid from Texas that was forced to start his career in Vancouver because they drafted him. So, you take this 17 year old out of his comfort zone and away from his family and you make him not only start his pro career in another country but also another culture. Salgado said that it took him awhile to adjust to his new surroundings. He's been injured off and on and has barely played the last couple of years. The ideal situation for him would have been one of the clubs in Texas near his family. He should have that choice just like you or I have a choice where we want to begin our working careers.

By forcing young players to start their careers where MLS tells them to we will lose some players. On the aggregate some young prospects will fall victim to this inefficient and anti-player system. There is a reason no other country on the frickin planet does this insane thing. It's because its stupid and harmful. There is no good argument for doing it. We're being laughed at by the footballing world for doing this stupid, silly, harmful thing.
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Old 04-30-2014, 04:23 PM
 
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No sorry. You're not making a good argument for a draft in soccer. This is not the NFL or the NBA where a drafted player is looking at a million dollar salary. This is the MLS where drafted players will be making wages comparable to you and I. Why do you think its fair to force a player to start his career where MLS tells him to? It's harmful to his career. The best thing for his career is to choose which club suits his style and choose which club is closest to where he lives.

I'll use the example of Omar Salgado. Here was a 17 year old kid from Texas that was forced to start his career in Vancouver because they drafted him. So, you take this 17 year old out of his comfort zone and away from his family and you make him not only start his pro career in another country but also another culture. Salgado said that it took him awhile to adjust to his new surroundings. He's been injured off and on and has barely played the last couple of years. The ideal situation for him would have been one of the clubs in Texas near his family. He should have that choice just like you or I have a choice where we want to begin our working careers.

By forcing young players to start their careers where MLS tells them to we will lose some players. On the aggregate some young prospects will fall victim to this inefficient and anti-player system. There is a reason no other country on the frickin planet does this insane thing. It's because its stupid and harmful. There is no good argument for doing it. We're being laughed at by the footballing world for doing this stupid, silly, harmful thing.
Let's say that MLS eventually gets bigger and salaries get larger... Would you then be OK with a draft?

If it's best for players to choose the club closest to where they live, then the larger cities will have an advantage. I prefer parity in a league.

Young professional athletes of all sports get moved around without a problem.
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Old 04-30-2014, 04:29 PM
 
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Let's say that MLS eventually gets bigger and salaries get larger... Would you then be OK with a draft?

If it's best for players to choose the club closest to where they live, then the larger cities will have an advantage. I prefer parity in a league.

Young professional athletes of all sports get moved around without a problem.
Absolutely not. It is a horrible idea. It's bad for the development of soccer players in this country.
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Old 05-01-2014, 07:27 AM
 
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Firstly, players dont chose clubs. Clubs should chose players. At youth level yeah you decide where you want to play and and MLS team would scout you to recruit you to their youth system.

You cant just say player X lives in Houston and therefore should play for Houston. It doesn't work that way either. I dont really think draft has much of a place in football, when a player leaves college thats 3+ years wasted that they could have focused on skills, college football just inst that good.
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