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Old 08-16-2011, 04:21 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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I didn't say anything about posh or luxurious prisons. Clean, safe and humane. With a focus on rehabilitation and the acquisition of job skills.

Would prisons be better than where some Americans live? We;; if home was a dilapidated apartment, infested with cockroaches, or a rusted out trailer, possibly. However I don't think that any human being should live that way.
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Old 08-18-2011, 06:12 PM
 
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I think we should not bother with prisons at all. First offense, in most cases, a tatto across your forehead, telling people what you are, and 5 lashes across your back with a blacksnake whip. Second offense, or something really nasty the first time, break his tailbone with a hammer and tattoo him. 3rd time or something really heinous, just shoot him in the back of the head immediately after sentencing. Why waste any money on such people?
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Old 08-18-2011, 06:23 PM
 
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what a waste of money they should use that money to help the NON criminals in need of better housing
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:54 AM
 
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I think we should not bother with prisons at all. First offense, in most cases, a tatto across your forehead, telling people what you are, and 5 lashes across your back with a blacksnake whip. Second offense, or something really nasty the first time, break his tailbone with a hammer and tattoo him. 3rd time or something really heinous, just shoot him in the back of the head immediately after sentencing. Why waste any money on such people?
The problem with irreversible punishments is the courts unavoidable tendency to get things wrong occasionally. Or not so occasionally.

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what a waste of money they should use that money to help the NON criminals in need of better housing
In Norway? Which non criminals would that be?
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Old 08-19-2011, 07:43 AM
 
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The problem with irreversible punishments is the courts unavoidable tendency to get things wrong occasionally. Or not so occasionally.



In Norway? Which non criminals would that be?
Seniors and people in need not everyone is a criminal in norway.
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Old 08-19-2011, 09:05 AM
 
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Seniors and people in need not everyone is a criminal in norway.

This is what I object too. Its one thing for us to have a discussion about what prison should be like and whether rehabilitation can best occur in "posh" or basic prisons. In fact, one can even argue whether rehabilitation of prisoners ought to even be a goal.

What I object too is when we Americans start telling Norwegians or any other people what they ought to be doing and what kind of prisons they should be building.

Norway has the right to run its own affairs without a bunch of Americans telling them what is right. If they believe a certain type of prison is best for rehabilitation than its up to them. Its really not our business.

I am coming to believe that some Americans think they have a right to tell everyone in the world how to live.
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Old 08-19-2011, 10:42 AM
 
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we are just giving our opinions not telling the Norway Government what to do.

Maybe it will collapes ad kill them all and then they can rot in hell for their crimes.

be it america or norway prison is about doing hard time not living in luxury.
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Old 08-25-2011, 01:27 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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I think we should not bother with prisons at all. First offense, in most cases, a tatto across your forehead, telling people what you are, and 5 lashes across your back with a blacksnake whip. Second offense, or something really nasty the first time, break his tailbone with a hammer and tattoo him. 3rd time or something really heinous, just shoot him in the back of the head immediately after sentencing. Why waste any money on such people?
Dream on and on! You're obviously not a prison guard! As long as jobs are at stake, and we can depend on China to be our eternal "sugar daddy" nothing is going to change! The powerful, unionized, job-dependent prison industry is here to stay! They're as immovable, unshakeable, resistant to changes as the education industry.

Only the much-hoped-for bankruptcy of this country will change that!
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Old 08-25-2011, 02:01 AM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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You should have worked in a concentration camp, giney12, missed your calling.
Oh wait Singapore may have some interesting jobs for you. Book a flight, please.
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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They should have never brought Anders Breivik in alive.

I don't think prison should be a resort type facility. Individuals are sent to prison as punishment for crimes committed. There is nothing wrong with 23 hours in a cell with one hour of doing whatever.
It's a shame that there are no psychological tests to separate people who can be rehabilitated from those who are probably hopeless.

Also, Scandinavian countries are more socialist. We, in the U.S, have a different way of looking at economic life and are willing to tolerate a higher level of poverty. Although that is no excuse for crime, it is the reason for most of it, I think. For people in prison here, the Norwegian prison may look like a country club, perhaps not so much so for a Norwegian.

On top of that, I will venture that they also have mental institutions for those who cannot adjust to society. We tend to dump everyone into prisons.

How do they handle pedophiles in Norway? I think they are born with that inclination or it is ingrained at such an early age that there is no way to reform them as adults. Most are ideal prisoners, though. What is their recidivism rate over there?

Can future employers enquire of a person's being imprisoned? If a person has a skill and can get a decent job he is less likely to offend. If he has no training and commits a crime, even with training in prison he is unlikely to be hired by most employers and more likely to offend again.
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