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Old 02-15-2019, 11:21 AM
 
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This show came out before we reached the heights of PC, in my opinion. I never gave it a second thought about the number of black parts. I just assumed it accurately reflected the Baltimore police force and the city in general. Plus the fact that I didn't recognize any of the actors at that time made the characters seem more real to me. And man, did I love Bunk!
But did we really reach PC heights though, compared to back then? If you watch a show like Game of Thrones, for example, they throw PC out the window today.
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Old 02-15-2019, 01:12 PM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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Like the police captain chewing out the main cop, like we've seen so much before in other fiction, even when the cop didnt' even do anything that was that big of deal, yet they have to make the captain a drama Queen, which is a cliche that goes all the way back to Dirty Harry at least. Things like that, do not make it seem that original so far, but we'll see.
You only watched the pilot episode, right? That's the joke. We're supposed to initially feel bad for McNulty because he's getting hassled by a mean boss. Usually that's a cue in cop shows that the cop is on the right track and his superiors have their heads up their butts - that's the cliche. But if you keep watching, it quickly becomes very clear why all McNulty's superiors hate him.

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The problem with realism, is that the more realistic you go, the less dramatic and crazy the situation can be.
You need to crack some history books!
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Old 02-15-2019, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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You only watched the pilot episode, right? That's the joke. We're supposed to initially feel bad for McNulty because he's getting hassled by a mean boss. Usually that's a cue in cop shows that the cop is on the right track and his superiors have their heads up their butts - that's the cliche. But if you keep watching, it quickly becomes very clear why all McNulty's superiors hate him.


I loved the ending of the first season when McNulty ends up of a boat, exactly what he didn't wanted. Then in the next season he charts the tides and determines that the dead bodies came from his old boss's territory. Good stuff.
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Old 02-15-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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You only watched the pilot episode, right? That's the joke. We're supposed to initially feel bad for McNulty because he's getting hassled by a mean boss. Usually that's a cue in cop shows that the cop is on the right track and his superiors have their heads up their butts - that's the cliche. But if you keep watching, it quickly becomes very clear why all McNulty's superiors hate him.



You need to crack some history books!
I watched the pilot was well as some other episodes here and there but cannot remember the exact titles. My cousin loves the show, and says the reason why the captain is such a drama Queen is because

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It turns out he is actually gay, and he is having issues with that. But I don't think that it brings anything new to the angry police captain cliche, just by putting a gay spin on the cliche. But maybe I need to watch more.
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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I watched the pilot was well as some other episodes here and there but cannot remember the exact titles. My cousin loves the show, and says the reason why the captain is such a drama Queen is because

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It turns out he is actually gay, and he is having issues with that. But I don't think that it brings anything new to the angry police captain cliche, just by putting a gay spin on the cliche. But maybe I need to watch more.
The production ran counter to the old gay trope's of our history. Best seen in Omar being the most feared man on the streets and the gang members surprise upon finding out a gay man was doing so much damage to their operations.
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:10 PM
 
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Ironically, after posting the other day I ended up deciding to finally buy a new hard drive for my broken down Dell pc, Amazon was the place that had it for a decent price. So I thought, why not just get Prime for a month to get the free 2-day shipping so I can also watch The Wire. Selection has gotten better since a few years ago in my opinion. Probably would have cost me $7 or $8 anyway for shipping so I basically halved the price of Prime.

Since then have watched two episodes and like it quite a bit. Original air date was 2002 and most shows that old don't age well, but that one has. I'm just getting started and looking forward to getting at least a full season in before my month of Prime expires. That incompetent cop that accidentally shot the wall his first day with the unit probably isn't going to last long, and his end will probably be violent, not a peaceful firing. Just a hunch. He's certainly been set up to be very disliked by the viewer. Good series though.
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:18 PM
 
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I watched the pilot was well as some other episodes here and there but cannot remember the exact titles. My cousin loves the show, and says the reason why the captain is such a drama Queen is because

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It turns out he is actually gay, and he is having issues with that. But I don't think that it brings anything new to the angry police captain cliche, just by putting a gay spin on the cliche. But maybe I need to watch more.
There's a scene midway through the series where we viewers can infer that Rawls is gay but nothing ever comes of it plot-wise and the other characters either don't know or don't care, because they never comment on it. One might surmise that some of his hypermasculine posturing is a cover, but it's also possible he's just a boor.

He's not a drama queen, he's understandably exasperated. He's very career-driven and McNulty is undermining him. McNulty is a good investigator but a ridiculous human being.
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:23 PM
 
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There's a scene midway through the series where we viewers can infer that Rawls is gay but nothing ever comes of it plot-wise and the other characters either don't know or don't care, because they never comment on it. One might surmise that some of his hypermasculine posturing is a cover, but it's also possible he's just a boor.

He's not a drama queen, he's understandably exasperated. He's very career-driven and McNulty is undermining him. McNulty is a good investigator but a ridiculous human being.
Yeah I get that, it's just I have seen this so many times before in police dramas and it just becomes really cliched and formulaic after so many times.
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:34 PM
 
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That incompetent cop that accidentally shot the wall his first day with the unit probably isn't going to last long, and his end will probably be violent, not a peaceful firing. Just a hunch. He's certainly been set up to be very disliked by the viewer.
Hee. You're either in for a treat or going to be infuriated, or possibly both. Poor stupid Pryz.
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:38 PM
 
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Yeah I get that, it's just I have seen this so many times before in police dramas and it just becomes really cliched and formulaic after so many times.
Again,

a)You're watching something groundbreaking from 2002. They're not trope followers, they're trope originators. If something from The Wire seems familiar, it's probably because programs since then have copied it.

b)They're playing around with the cliche "rogue cop/hardass captain" dynamic, not embracing it. You've only seen the establishing scenes, not the story arc.
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