Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Work and Employment
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 12-01-2016, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
10,069 posts, read 7,243,961 times
Reputation: 17146

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
Agree, it seems like a more sensible solution. In addition, the urban increase is much more gentle, not a rapid increase to $15.

Liberals, remember that if your minimum wage increase fails, it will be remembered for decades.
Although it's not just liberals who are for it. Arizona, Colorado, and Maine voters approved increases.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-01-2016, 09:28 PM
 
59 posts, read 44,889 times
Reputation: 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by tnff View Post
I don't have a discussion on minimum wage, but these automation systems have nothing to do with whatever the minimum wage is. It's a case of getting the technology available more than anything else. If it were available 20 years ago, we'd have had this discussion then. The whole minimum wage argument merely gives them the cover to do what they would have done anyway.
I agree. Trying to tie this to increases in minimum wage is just BS tactic to keep wage costs down for business in general. Its not like McDonalds is struggling to stay afloat without culling staff. If the tech was available sooner and it was cheaper than the current wage it would have been implemented sooner. Business will do what's best for senior management's bonuses and shareholders more than what's in the best interest of their employees. Introducing technology to reduce the costs of lawyers and doctors and bankers, etc would be better for society (imo) than the minimum wage market. These workers cant lower their wage demands to compete and where are the replacement jobs going to be for them. Its inevitable though and governments need to take this into consideration for future policy. Service workers today, career workers down the track.

I read about a study they did of millennials and how they much prefer to deal with automation than real service people. Well, I guess they are going to grow up and compete in a society with the consequences of that. Lots of people wont give a stuff about the service workers losing their jobs, but you can bet your arse if their company brought in AI/automation/offshore workers to start replacing jobs at their company dept they would be screaming for support.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-01-2016, 09:32 PM
 
Location: TN/NC
35,081 posts, read 31,322,562 times
Reputation: 47561
I am skeptical about how severe kiosk impact will be. Look at ATMs. We still have bank tellers. Personally, I prefer to deal with a human. Same thing with self checkout registers.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-01-2016, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Tucson for awhile longer
8,869 posts, read 16,323,563 times
Reputation: 29240
Kiosks were inevitable anyway. Just as robots are inevitable in manufacturing, which is why there will be fewer manufacturing jobs no matter what Trump does. Given a choice, employers will usually choose to interact with machines over people. Machines don't ask for benefits or raises and they aren't late for work. Why do you think there are half as many human tellers at banks than there used to be? Tellers always were and always will be poorly paid and still they were replaced with ATMs.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-01-2016, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
42,850 posts, read 26,294,125 times
Reputation: 34059
Quote:
Originally Posted by redguard57 View Post
Although it's not just liberals who are for it. Arizona, Colorado, and Maine voters approved increases.
And it's being claimed that the minimum wage increase in Seattle was a success

"The unemployment rate in the city of Seattle – the tip of the spear when it comes to minimum wage experiments – has now hit a new cycle low of 3.4%, as the city continues to thrive. I’m not sure what else there is to say at this point. The doomsayers were wrong. The sky has not fallen. The restaurant business, by all accounts, is booming (in fact, probably reaching a saturation point when one looks at eateries per capita). I think it’s safe to say we’ve got enough data – over almost two years now – to declare that Seattle has not suffered adverse consequences from its increases in the minimum wage, and has certainly not experienced the dire effects foretold by the anti-min wage crowd.
Seattle Minimum Wage Experiment is Over - The Big Picture
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-01-2016, 09:47 PM
 
10,225 posts, read 7,589,954 times
Reputation: 23162
Quote:
Originally Posted by pappjohn View Post
Not a good sign, it looks like there will be fewer McDonalds jobs in the future.

The push for a $15 starter wage has negatively impacted the career prospects of employees who were just getting started in the workforce while extinguishing the businesses that employed them.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/eb5f795...fight-for.html
If it's good for business, they would've done it, no matter the hourly wage. But nice try.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-02-2016, 01:16 AM
 
Location: CA
110 posts, read 134,286 times
Reputation: 132
ANYONE WHO WORKS IN FAST FOOD OR RETAIL DOES NOT DESERVE $15/HR.
THOSE JOBS ARE MEANT FOR HIGH SCHOOL KIDS JUST STARTING OUT.

THEY ARE NOT MEANT FOR 30 YEAR OLD SINGLE MOTHERS WHO CAN'T AFFORD RENT.

BY THAT AGE, you SHOULD already have a career.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-02-2016, 02:24 AM
 
Location: U.S.A., Earth
5,511 posts, read 4,478,553 times
Reputation: 5770
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whatsnext75 View Post
Im glad to hear that. I dont think they all deserve $15 an hr...maybe someone who has been there a while does...but not all McDonald's employees deserve 15 an hour. If they want to make more than that get another job. Id like my job to pay me 100k but they wont.
Irrelevant. For many of us, we're not paid what we deserve. We're paid what we negotiate.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-02-2016, 04:51 AM
 
5,722 posts, read 5,802,199 times
Reputation: 4381
How much is a Big Mac in Seattle? The article I saw from 3 years ago said they would only have to raise prices by 4.3 percent.

WalMart said raising the minimum wage is actually good for the economy because all of that money is pumped back into the economy. Low wage workers spend whatever extra money they make. That's more cars being bought, furniture, electronics, etc.

Corporate America has you fooled..their profits are better than ever. Yes they would have to raise their prices some but the benefits greatly outweigh the negatives.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-02-2016, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Tampa, Fl
4,091 posts, read 6,018,114 times
Reputation: 3415
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea44 View Post
ANYONE WHO WORKS IN FAST FOOD OR RETAIL DOES NOT DESERVE $15/HR.
THOSE JOBS ARE MEANT FOR HIGH SCHOOL KIDS JUST STARTING OUT.

THEY ARE NOT MEANT FOR 30 YEAR OLD SINGLE MOTHERS WHO CAN'T AFFORD RENT.

BY THAT AGE, you SHOULD already have a career.
If only you had a device that had access to all of the world's knowledge at the tips of your fingers. We could call that device a computer... And by linking other computers we could create something someone may one day call the internet... Maybe one day someone will create a website (I'd like to think they'll call it Google) that will answer anyone's question within seconds.

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=fdr+on+minimum+wage
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Work and Employment
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:56 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top