Euro-Asians in Asian countries (life, country, place, people)

[manolopo]

Originally Posted by Michiko_shanyang

you are very happy to put up their photos that are not typical Spanish - Filipinas, anyone will not believe the photos that you share it ... . and know they are not people born and raised in your country

I already posted proof many many times that these people were born and raised in the Philippines. A few went to boarding school outside of the Philippines, because they're rich. But, born, raised, and still live in the Philippines. European Filipinos weren't kicked out like European Indonesians.




More examples:


Both parents in this family are Filipinos. The mother is a Cardenas, which is not a well-known or wealthy family. She's just a regular Filipina mixed with some Spanish. You can tell that she has some native Filipino ancestry. The dad, however, is mostly pure European. He's from the Zobel family, and they have been in the Philippines since the 1800s. They still live in the Philippines to this day.




Their daughters (the two on the right). The one on the left isn't related, and she's only half Filipino

The two daughters own a store in Manila, and I even posted an article about how they live in the Philippines. But you don't seem to believe or care.
https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/23240...festyle-store/



The father in this family is from the Miranda family in Cebu. They're a Spanish family that's not well-known. The mother is from the Lhuillier family of Cebu. They're a famous, wealthy family who originally came from France to the Philippines. They've only been in the Philippines a couple generations, but they married into Spanish-Filipino families. You can see that both parents look mixed with native Filipino



Their kids, both born and raised in Cebu. The younger son is a somewhat famous racecar driver in the Philippines, Daniel Miranda. He dates a famous celebrity, Sofia Andres




One of the Ayala brothers married a more native-looking Filipina



And so his daughter looks half white, because that's what she is


^ She's probably what you think of when you think of the "typical" Spanish-Filipino, because she looks Latino. But she happens to be mixed with native Filipino, so that's why she looks like that. Not all Spanish families in the Philippines married native Filipinos. Most did but not all.

Filipino lawyer and social advocate, Chito Gascon



This is an Elizalde (Spanish but have been in the Philippines since the 1800s) who married a regular Filipina. Their kids look half Filipino, but they're full Filipino actually





Another Elizalde (I think it's the previous guy's brother or cousin). But he married another Spanish-Filipino, from the Aboitiz family. She appears to be mixed with some native Filipino. So the kids look mostly white, but not completely





This family's surname is "DeLange" which is Dutch. One of the sons is Jaime DeLange, who was in the SEA Games


They had a Dutch ancestor who moved to the Philippines in the early 1900s. He married a Spanish-Filipina. And they've been in the Philippines ever since.


Their parents (on the left and right side). Both look mixed with native Filipino



Politician Lucy Torres and her husband Richard Gomez. Both are Filipinos mixed with some Spanish ancestry. This is what typical mestizos look like in the Philippines




The father is from the Atayde family. The mother is from an unknown Spanish family in the Philippines, the Llamas. The Ataydes have been in the Philippines since the early 1800s. Both parents in this family appear mixed with native Filipino



Another branch of the Atayde family. The father is an Atayde, while the mother is a regular Filipina. The kids look half Filipino, but they're full.



One of the kids is a celeb, Arjo Atayde. They're probably what you think of when you think of "typical" Spanish-Filipinos. You can see they have a lot of native Filipino admixture


Enrique Razon (who I posted earlier) and his nephew Christian Gonzales. The Razons came to the Philippines AFTER the Spanish period was over. It was during the American period, but Spaniards and other Europeans were still coming to the Philippines because it was thriving. Now they still live in the Philippines.





So there's a range of Spanish-Filipinos. Some look completely European (because they are) while some look mixed with native Filipino (because they are). I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept for you. You're only mad because I posted full Filipinos who look European. Never did I say that these were typical Filipinos. They're not even typical of Spanish-Filipinos because most Spanish-Filipinos have mixed with native Filipinos. But you're the one posting half Indonesians saying "Wow, so white-looking. They look Northern European" So I came back with FULL Filipinos who pass as European. The Philippines is different from Indonesia. We didn't exterminate or kick out the Europeans. The ones who wanted to be Spanish left and went to Spain. The ones who remained in the Philippines (everyone I posted) are the ones who wanted to be Filipino. Their ancestors fought for/supported the Filipino side for independence.

[manolopo]

Some other Euro-Asian groups


Kristangs in Singapore and Malaysia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQXtF3gjnac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgRv9vGmYRQ


Macanese in Macau


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoJG26_AfFc


Judging by how they look, the European is very distant in most, and it's also possible that many of them dont have European ancestors at all. They were just Asians who converted to Catholicism, and thus adopted the Portuguese culture and language and names when they converted. So they identify as Kristang or Macanese as a way to distinguish themselves culturally from the mainstream, non-Catholic population.

A Macanese historian talks about this at around 8:40 in the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-NzCv5kFC8

He says its possible that all of his ancestors were just Chinese and they took on the name Fernandes when they converted to Catholicism.


So these two groups are similar to Mainstream Filipinos- very little if any European blood on average, but they have European surnames and some European culture and traditions. And for all three groups, the European language aspect has declined rapidly. Most Kristangs and Macanese cant speak Portuguese or even Portuguese creole anymore. And most Filipinos dont speak Spanish and the use of Spanish words is declining and being replaced by English.

[Bituingmaykinang]

As cringy as manolopo's obsession wtih European Filipinos is, he is not lying when he says these are not foreigners and they still live in the Philippines.

All you have to do is Google them. Many of the ones he posted are some of the richest clans in the Philippines

The Zobel de Ayalas own Globe Telecom, Manila Water, Bank of the Philippine Islands, Ayala Land. Given the protectionist nature of the Philippines when it comes to ownership, these people can't be foreigners (non-citizens) to run empires. As a matter of fact, the Ayala empire is probably the longest-standing one in the Philippines dating back to the mid-1800s.

He also posted the "white side" of the Aboitizes (as there are family members who are more "native-looking". They own AboitizLand and Aboitiz power Their roots trace back to the later part of the 1800s when Paulino Aboitiz moved from the Basque country and made money through hemp trade.

He also posted about Enrique Razon, the dude who looks very Southern European. Just search him on youtube and he has a short interview with Winnie Monsod where he speaks perfect Tagalog and IS based in the Philippines. He owns a big port business and Solaire. He also tries to influence national politicians, lol.

Then there are the Elizaldes who own basically almost all FM stations in the Philippines.

You can verify manolopo's statements by looking up these people in Forbes list in the Philippines

It can be a hard concept to grasp how these people are Filipinos and not foreigners but they really are Filipinos. They just don't look like the majority and easily mistaken as foreigners.

These are Spanish-Filipinos. Not all Spanish-Filipinos are mixed with natives. The Basques descendants in particular remain white. But these white Filipinos may be extinct soon because they seem to be marrying into the rich native or Chinese populations. This is good. The last thing I want to happen is for the Philippines to be as stratified as race like Latin America. White Latin Americans look down on their native population (see the case of Bolivia and Roma star Yalitza Aparicio). Spanish-Filipinos are less racist though as class conscious. The Zobel de Ayalas are known to support the Mangyan's (indigenous peoples) without forcing them into the "mainstream culture". Spanish Filipinos are way less racist and more nativists than their Latin American counterparts.

If you are tuned in to the gossips of the Philippine High Society, these people are pretty prominent.

The ones that don't make it much to the headlines and are superlow key are the Indian Filipino businesspeople (mosly of Sindhi descent).

By the way, two other white Filipinos are Manuel Legarda and Tirso Rippoll of the band Razorback. People used to deride them and call them "konyo band" because they look very white. Lol

[Michiko_shanyang]

obsession with European and putting up pics that are not typical Filipino-Spanish don't u make people laugh with this silliness. example : https://i.ibb.co/bK6j9tg/msoc-2007-n02-p194-a01-v01.jpg

by the way you can compare videos of Singapore, Malaysia, Macanese and Indo in Indonesia that is true

[Bituingmaykinang]

Originally Posted by Michiko_shanyang

look this Vanessa Hudgens Half White - Filipina even she doesn't look like white


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAwrN9Zb4v0

or other White- Filipino "Darren Criss " like Mediterinian People and many more
https://www.famousbirthdays.com/face...rren-image.jpg

Of course Vanessa Hudgens doesn't look white, her mother is native Filipino. But she is very irrelevant to Spanish-Filipinos.

Those are Americans. I even doubt Hudgens and Darren Criss are Philippine citizens.

Meanwhile, the people manolopo has posted are Philippine citizens. These people can't own businesses that big without being a citizen of the PH.

Also, Hudgens and Criss are bad comparisons. Manolopo posted descentants of COLONIAL IMMIGRANT families living/based in the Philippines. Hudgens and Criss are not based in the Philippines and do not hail from colonial families. Their mothers moved to the US and married white men. That's it. Meanwhile, these Spanish Filipinos have ancestors who moved from Spain to the Philippines when it was still a Spanish colony (and to a certain extent, American colony)

[Bituingmaykinang]

Originally Posted by Michiko_shanyang

obsession with European and putting up pics that are not typical Filipino-Spanish don't u make people laugh with this silliness. example : https://i.ibb.co/bK6j9tg/msoc-2007-n02-p194-a01-v01.jpg

by the way you can compare videos of Singapore, Malaysia, Macanese and Indo in Indonesia that is true

What is your definition of "Spanish Filipino"? Spanish Filipinos are basically Filipino citizens of Spanish (Iberian) descent. And most people who are categorized as such tend to be the more European-looking because their mestizo descendants eventually become absorbed into the native population and even cease to be mestizo once they lose overt caucasian features.

Again, these people are typical of the upperclass society along with the Chinese and the Sindhis

Just take a few minutes to read Forbes, Philippine Tatler, and Asia Lifestyle and you can verify that manolopo is not making things up. It may be hard for you to comprehend as an outsider so you easily dismiss these people are "foreigners".

Do you even watch the videos manolopo linked? It seems that you didn't since you still believe these aren't Filipinos and are merely "foreigners" yet at the same time you are hellbent on posting Indonesians who literally have a non-Indonesian
citizen parent.

Is it really hard for you to grasp that race and citizenship/nationality are not the same? And that a person of any race can actually be a Filipino?

Here's a historical trivia: the term Filipino was originally used to refer to Spaniards born in the Philippines. The natives were called indios or naturales back then.

Remember that Filipino is NOT a race. It is a cultural heritage/nationality. Just because these people are overtly Iberian does not mean they are less Filipino. In fact, historically, they are the "original Filipinos". It just happens that majority of the Philippine population are of Austronesian descent.

[Bituingmaykinang]

Jaime Augusto Zobel de Ayala. 16:54. Notice how he says the Philippines as *his* country

[Bituingmaykinang]

Don Jaime and Doña Bea helping the Mangyans




Tristan Aboitiz (brother of Carlos Aboitiz)


Tristan at University of the Philippines - Los Baños



Enrique Razon in an interview with Winnie Monsod. Enrique Razon speaks a lot of Tagalog here.





News about Enrique Razon buying 25% of the shares of Manila Water (Zobel de Ayala)




Most Spanish-Filipinos are in business. The mestizos in the showbiz industry and (and in Hollywood) beauty pageant usually have one foreign parent (non-citizen) but they are different from and should not be confused/lumped with Spanish Filipinos (españoles filipinos).

The only "full" Filipino mestizo that had a stint in Hollywood was Anna Marie Perez de Tagle who is related to Enrique Iglesias. She doesn't say she's Spanish, just Filipino even if they are descended from Spanish. Most Spanish-Filipinos don't say their are Spanish or emphasize they are "different".

[Bituingmaykinang]

History of the Zobel de Ayala family in the Philippines

[Selurong]

Clete what are you doing here? Lol. You and Manoplo should form a Mestizos or Criollos of the Philippines Club like the former Circulo Hispano-Filipino in the long defunct Eurasians.com

So and so is from the Aranetas, the Lizurriagas, Elizaldes, Ayalas etc. Etc. And you can go gossip in there all day like the trustfund conyos that you are, as you flood the internet with pictures of your brood. Lol.