Despite Opening Week at New Stadium Braves Average Attenence Already Below 6 (of 20) Complete Years at Turner Field (Atlanta: real estate market, houses)

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by arjay57

The city didn't tear up the area in the name of attracting the Barves -- that was years down the road.

The powers that be wanted to eradicate what they considered substandard housing on the south side of downtown. They also hoped to create a barrier between the black neighborhoods and downtown, which in those days was still the epicentre of the city's business community.

Yes, there was certainly deliberate efforts to divide the city by those in Atlanta then. Pretty shameful. It is just too bad the Braves were never part of the solution once the city started trying to fix this damage.

75/85 under construction in Summerhill / Mechanicsville in the 1950s:




And granted, I wasn't around then, but my impression was the site wasn't really leveled up until it was time to build Atlanta Stadium. You can still see some homes & businesses remaining along the the southern edge of the stadium even here in 1965 as construction wraps up:

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Yes, there was certainly deliberate efforts to divide the city by those in Atlanta then. Pretty shameful. It is just too bad the Braves were never part of the solution once the city started trying to fix this damage.

75/85 under construction in Summerhill / Mechanicsville in the 1950s:


And granted, I wasn't around then, but my impression was the site wasn't really leveled up until it was time to build Atlanta Stadium. You can still see some homes & businesses remaining along the the southern edge of the stadium even here in 1965 as construction wraps up:

Yep. The city of Atlanta was pretty ruthless when it came to eliminating poor minority communities.

[primaltech]

I wish they could have built all those ITP freeways 50 ft below the street level, like they kinda sorta did much later with 400.

Still would have torn a line through communities for the ROW of course, but at least could have reduced the noise and visual impact (without all those ugly plastic walls), and allowed for a lot more bridges to be built, somewhat keeping the grid intact.

[primaltech]

Also I hate how wasteful all these loopy interchanges are:

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7668.../data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7596.../data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7952.../data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7450.../data=!3m1!1e3

Lot more examples everywhere.

Regular straight line exit ramps, would have given the city back all that wasted space. All those city blocks.

It is very unfortunate and sad- GDOT raped Atlanta.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by primaltech

Also I hate how wasteful all these loopy interchanges are:

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7668.../data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7596.../data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7952.../data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7450.../data=!3m1!1e3

Lot more examples everywhere.

Regular straight line exit ramps, would have given the city back all that wasted space. All those city blocks.

It is very unfortunate and sad- GDOT raped Atlanta.

Point well made, primaltech!

In GDOT's defense, almost everybody thought that was how you built freeways until very recently, and a lot of engineers still feel that way.

[Atlwarrior]

Save the best for last. I love this project.

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2017/5/11...ffices-brewery

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by Atlwarrior

Save the best for last. I love this project.

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2017/5/11...ffices-brewery

Phase 1 alone is on the same scale as "The Battery" and once it is done it will have "2,700 apartments, 50 houses, 625 hotel rooms, 1.5 million square feet of offices—and significantly more retail space than Atlantic Station." And all for zero city tax subsidy.

Not sure how you convince anyone that the move to an empty field in Cobb was needed in order to have nice development around the stadium. Good riddance to the Braves. Now I just wish them and their fans could learn to stop bashing the city and it's great neighborhoods.

[sedimenjerry]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Now I just wish them and their fans could learn to stop bashing the city and it's great neighborhoods.

LOL you're the one that feels the need to start a new thread anytime there's some sort of bad news about the Braves.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by sedimenjerry

LOL you're the one that feels the need to start a new thread anytime there's some sort of bad news about the Braves.

Darn straight. Hate on my city and you will get it right back. Besides, all the bad news about the Braves since they announced this move won't fit in one thread.

[evannole]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Phase 1 alone is on the same scale as "The Battery" and once it is done it will have "2,700 apartments, 50 houses, 625 hotel rooms, 1.5 million square feet of offices—and significantly more retail space than Atlantic Station." And all for zero city tax subsidy.

Not sure how you convince anyone that the move to an empty field in Cobb was needed in order to have nice development around the stadium. Good riddance to the Braves. Now I just wish them and their fans could learn to stop bashing the city and it's great neighborhoods.

1) The city sold the 67-acre site for $30M, which works out to less than $500k per acre, plus a free stadium. There may not have been cash subsidies changing hands, but that was a fire sale price for a commercially zoned contiguous parcel of that size a stone's throw from the city center.

2) I do hope this development succeeds. It certainly looks good on paper, but I think we'll have to see how it all pans out. I will say that student housing, while necessary, doesn't exactly engender a stable resident population, and so the fact that a very large quantity of the housing is just that does give me pause.