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Social engineering. It’s like kubuki theater by now......the elite always have new ways of how everybody should live. But it’s all the same.
^^^^^This. Weening the populace off of personal responsibility in the name of "safety", and "the public good". It is another way to create more dependency. Happening in many other areas as well.
I guess you don't have a clue. You are very delusional.
Just name calling without substantiation is giving up.
Your opinion is not important to me, but you would think you would want to try and hold your own for the sake of everybody else reading this thread.
Just name calling without substantiation is giving up.
Your opinion is not important to me, but you would think you would want to try and hold your own for the sake of everybody else reading this thread.
It’s hard to have a discussion with you when you ignore points that you have no retort to and cherry pick others.
That's pretty funny given the many top line premium EVs there are. If we're using your way of looking at things, then elites get to do one better--they get to refuel at home while serfs have to go to their little designated stations and pump.
Elites fly private jets and yachts to climate change summits. The EV is just to lessen the guilt But otherwise is a drop in the bucket.
Elites fly private jets and yachts to climate change summits. The EV is just to lessen the guilt But otherwise is a drop in the bucket.
Sure, they do fly private jets to all manner of things. They also own EVs or hybrids because they like fancy things and some of these EVs and hybrids are very fancy and it certainly isn't the poor serfs who are buying up the bulk of EVs right now. The post I was quoting doesn't make much sense.
The entire topic doesn't make much sense because it's conflating two things. EVs and autonomous vehicles aren't necessarily intertwined. The push for both is one to make money because they have the potential to capture a large part of the mobility market. However, EVs have a separate push due to its somewhat better environmental footprint. That part is a minor consideration for a lot of people, though it does affect policy to some degree. What matters more to people is if they will be getting more bang for their buck and EVs are at this point competitive or better in certain market segments and will quickly be so in many other market segments.
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The entire topic doesn't make much sense because it's conflating two things. EVs and autonomous vehicles aren't necessarily intertwined. The push for both is one to make money because they have the potential to capture a large part of the mobility market. However, EVs have a separate push due to its somewhat better environmental footprint.
I agree, EV and AV are two separate issues entirely.
I don't think automakers are sinking billions into EV development because of the "environment." I believe they are jumping into EV because
-- EVs have a much lower parts count, which means fewer parts to source and stock, simpler assembly lines, fewer employees. Less overhead equals potential for more marginal profit later.
-- FOMO (fear of missing out). They see their competitors jumping into EV and they don't want to be left behind as the old school out of touch automaker. Tesla sales are ramping up and there's a feeling (here in Calif. anyway) that they are the trendy thing to drive.
-- CAFE standards. Trump won't be in office forever, so his relaxation of CAFE mileage standards will be likely reversed, and will be over 50 mpg in the years ahead. Adding EVs to your product mix makes it easier to hit or exceed the target.
-- Fear of Regulatory Environment. As climate change worsens, there's a risk that governments may enact carbon taxes that will make ICE cars less competitive with EV's. $5 per gallon gas can't compete against the free EV charger that your employer offers you at work or against the solar panels on your house.
I agree, EV and AV are two separate issues entirely.
I don't think automakers are sinking billions into EV development because of the "environment." I believe they are jumping into EV because
-- EVs have a much lower parts count, which means fewer parts to source and stock, simpler assembly lines, fewer employees. Less overhead equals potential for more marginal profit later.
-- FOMO (fear of missing out). They see their competitors jumping into EV and they don't want to be left behind as the old school out of touch automaker. Tesla sales are ramping up and there's a feeling (here in Calif. anyway) that they are the trendy thing to drive.
-- CAFE standards. Trump won't be in office forever, so his relaxation of CAFE mileage standards will be likely reversed, and will be over 50 mpg in the years ahead. Adding EVs to your product mix makes it easier to hit or exceed the target.
-- Fear of Regulatory Environment. As climate change worsens, there's a risk that governments may enact carbon taxes that will make ICE cars less competitive with EV's. $5 per gallon gas can't compete against the free EV charger that your employer offers you at work or against the solar panels on your house.
Agree on all counts.
There is a risk however that the EV market share may just be stuck in the single digits for far longer than anticipated and risk splitting that 1-2% into hundreds of competitors creating higher overhead, lower margins; and higher risk. If all these hundreds of EVs are really supposed to be on the market in the next couple years the EV swimming pool is going to get crowded really quick. Tesla is barely hanging on and has had the market share almost exclusively to themselves for almost a decade. As of now, there isn’t really a lot of room for sharing.
Is it accurate to say that part of your argument is that oil subsidies weren't subsidies because other corporations get subsidies?
No. Tax deductions are not subsidies. Tax breaks are intended to encourage production and exploration. Companies and people don’t get taxed on money they’ve invested back into their business.
Subsidies are intended to artificially sustain an industry to make up for lack of profits.
Oil companies have no competitor aside from other oil companies and all oil companies are entitled to the same tax breaks.
EVs’ only competitor is non EV powered cars and only EV’s get subsidized.
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