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I'm getting the impression that a number of people are thinking that if they are fully vaccinated that it means that non-vaccinated people they encounter will be protected from getting the virus from them.
That's not how it works guys. The vaccine isn't a cure, it's an immunization. The vaccinations you get may immunize YOU but your vaccinations can't protect unvaccinated people from getting the virus from you.
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Originally Posted by cdnirene
They don’t care. It’s all about them and what they want.
Positivity rate in Manitoba in 14%. In Winnipeg it’s 16%. ICU patients continue to be shipped to various cities in Ontario for treatment… in at least one case, as far as Ottawa!
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Originally Posted by BruSan
I can't find fault with your assessment of those infantile, so called, rugged individualist "we don need no stink'n badges" types.
However, he's heeding the science based advice BECAUSE they are based upon the vaccination rate of Canadians not yet vaccinated.
The peer reviewed studies are dealing with how safe the vaccinated person might be to move about but, are not dealing with the carrier aspect of a vaccinated person transmitting the virus to those who have not yet been vaccinated.
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Originally Posted by Natnasci
Pretty sure Trudeau is following the advice of Dr. Tam, Canada's Chief Public Health Officer.
I know if I were PM, I would. Going rogue on your Chief Health Officer when you aren't even remotely qualified to make health decisions is not what a smart person would do. We have recent evidence on how well that worked south of us.
So perhaps take up your thoughts with Dr. Tam. That's a conversation I would like to hear
- Study from England showing that a single dose of Pfizer or AZ can reduce transmission by 60%:
They don’t care. It’s all about them and what they want.
Positivity rate in Manitoba in 14%. In Winnipeg it’s 16%. ICU patients continue to be shipped to various cities in Ontario for treatment… in at least one case, as far as Ottawa!
Ugh, I feel for Manitoba. New Jersey was in that mess last March, April, and into May. Dark, painful, and sad time. I hope it ends for you.
Even now, my own younger sister went into the hospital March 23, ended up on the vent for two weeks, and we thought she wasn't going to make it. Came home Wednesday, eight weeks and one day later, and she is weak and using a walker. Only 60, a tall, strong woman knocked on her ass.
But I assume the scientific communities in Israel, the US, and UK are clueless. No need to listen to them.
Since you addressed your post to me - I respond to REALITY…
In Manitoba:
60.3% of 18+ population and 55.8% of 12+ population have been vaccinated with at least one dose
REALITY IS THAT DESPITE THE VACCINATIONS the Positivity Rate in Manitoba is currently 14% and Winnipeg is 16%. ICU patients continue to be shipped to various cities in Ontario for treatment… in at least one case, as far as Ottawa. One bad traffic accident and we’re screwed.
None of the links you posted change that harsh reality. That reality is why I don’t think the border should be opened right now.
Ugh, I feel for Manitoba. New Jersey was in that mess last March, April, and into May. Dark, painful, and sad time. I hope it ends for you.
Even now, my own younger sister went into the hospital March 23, ended up on the vent for two weeks, and we thought she wasn't going to make it. Came home Wednesday, eight weeks and one day later, and she is weak and using a walker. Only 60, a tall, strong woman knocked on her ass.
I’m sorry about your sister. It must have been a very stressful situation.
Since you addressed your post to me - I respond to REALITY…
In Manitoba:
60.3% of 18+ population and 55.8% of 12+ population have been vaccinated with at least one dose
REALITY IS THAT DESPITE THE VACCINATIONS the Positivity Rate in Manitoba is currently 14% and Winnipeg is 16%. ICU patients continue to be shipped to various cities in Ontario for treatment… in at least one case, as far as Ottawa. One bad traffic accident and we’re screwed.
None of the links you posted change that harsh reality. That reality is why I don’t think the border should be opened right now.
The situation in Manitoba is horrible and I hope you pull through soon. It also points to the fact that full vaccination not partial should have been pursued quickly for the vulnerable before rushing ahead to partially vaccinate everyone first.
All this said, I personally never advocated for a full reopening of the border. Rather for a loosening of the quarantine and testing requirements for fully vaccinated Canadian Citizens, which is not even remotely based in science. Allowing for a negative test result should be more than sufficient for a returning Citizen who is going to be allowed entry anyways.
The situation in Manitoba is horrible and I hope you pull through soon. It also points to the fact that full vaccination not partial should have been pursued quickly for the vulnerable before rushing ahead to partially vaccinate everyone first.
All this said, I personally never advocated for a full reopening of the border. Rather for a loosening of the quarantine and testing requirements for fully vaccinated Canadian Citizens, which is not even remotely based in science. Allowing for a negative test result should be more than sufficient for a returning Citizen who is going to be allowed entry anyways.
As a rough generalization, most Canadians who are fully vaccinated either reside in nursing homes or are health care workers. Nursing home residents tend not to spend time in the community and certainly don’t do much traveling. The switch to first doses was only made in March (a couple of months after the UK I believe). Canada was totally dependent on Europe for vaccines and both Pfizer in Belgium and Moderna in Switzerland had production problems. Vaccine delivery was slow and has only stepped up in the last few weeks.
As a rough generalization, most Canadians who are fully vaccinated either reside in nursing homes or are health care workers. Nursing home residents tend not to spend time in the community and certainly don’t do much traveling. The switch to first doses was only made in March (a couple of months after the UK I believe). Canada was totally dependent on Europe for vaccines and both Pfizer in Belgium and Moderna in Switzerland had production problems. Vaccine delivery was slow and has only stepped up in the last few weeks.
Let's not forget to mention that both Pfizer in Belgium and Moderna in Switzerland had production and delay problems because the vaccines that Canada (and some other countries) had ordered and paid for and were ready to be delivered on the agreed upon time were preemtively commandeered by executive order of USA, were picked up in Europe by American military and taken away to USA instead. That preemptive strike caused delays and set backs for a few countries in Europe as well as Canada who all had to scramble to come up with alternative action.
And some people can't understand why Canada refuses to open up it's borders in accordance with the increasingly more desperate demands of those who think they have the right and might to make such demands and have the audacity of criticizing Canada for its delays.
This covid-19 pandemic has triggered some unforgettable eye openers about which world governments are real friends and allies and which ones aren't.
And that's not all. As some may know, for the past month the Blackfeet Tribe in Montana was holding mobile clinics at the border to give vaccinations of their surplus vaccines to Canadian neighbours in Alberta who live just across the border. It was initially approved by both American and Canadian governments but last Saturday that came to an end and I have to wonder what the real reason for that is, because the explanations given doesn't make sense. Is it because Canada refuses to open the border to visitors? Or is there some more insidious governmental skullduggery going on?
CALGARY -- A feel-good story in which a Montana First Nation was holding COVID-19 vaccination clinics at the Canada-United States border in southwestern Alberta has come to an end.
.... an official with the Blackfeet Tribe in Browning, Mont., told The Canadian Press late Saturday that the clinics have come to an end.
“I am very sad and disappointed to report that we are not to able to continue our border vaccine clinics because of government bureaucracy on both sides. Apparently crossing the border to receive a vaccine is non-essential. Go figure,” said James McNeely.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection said last week Canadians attempting to drive across the American border solely for a COVID-19 vaccination, even with a doctor's referral, would be denied entry...... continued at link ......
They are not. There is plenty of data about both covid and the vaccine, but Canada is acting as if it is still March 2020. Meanwhile in the US vaccinated people don't have to wear masks anymore with a few exceptions (hospitals, public transportation).
Us unvaccinated people in the USofA reclaimed our freedom long before the vaccinated folks did. Didn’t catch it, didn’t get vaccinated for it. Never quarantined or used copious amounts of hand sanitizers. I’ve been wearing the same 2 disposable masks since this started. Never once did I pull them up above my nose. So glad you figured it out!
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