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The Bible explains everything if you are willing to believe.
So does the Qur'an or the Rig Veda or the Elder Edda or the Epic of Gilgamesh or the Enuma Elish or Hesiod's Theogony or the Bhagavad Gita or any other religious work.
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And to getting saved is free.
No it isn't, there are conditions attached.
Well, interesting chat this evening folks...but it's time for bed.
The Bible explains everything if you are willing to believe. And to getting saved is free.
Let me rephrase that: The bible explains everything if you are willing to BLINDLY believe what it says without ever investigating what is written in it....that's better.
Yes!!! Also, there is money attached. The church calls it "Tithing". There are some churches that actually require 10% of your gross income as minimum expected "Tithe". Tithe literally means 1/10 of something.
The bible is divinely inspired. It's claim is backed by it's prophesies which have come true. The other books either do not make the claim that they are from God, are divinely inspired. Or they are known to be false and ficticious. Or their prophesies have proven them false.
The bible continues to be found a reliable historic document, spiritually fullfilling for the individual, And true. And all this despite the fact that it is constantly scrutinized and tested.
No other book has been required to jump through as many hoops in order to be believed.
The bible is the only book to hit the top sellers list every year since the invention of the printing press. In fact it was the first book printed. It is estimated that there have been between 2 to 6 billion copies sold. It is printed in practically every language in the world. That cannot be said by any other book in history.
There are so much logical fallacies in this post, I don't even know where to start.
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The other books either do not make the claim that they are from God, are divinely inspired.
So because writers in the book that says it is the word of god says it is the word of god then it must be the word of god then, eh? Nothing but circular logic.
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The bible is the only book to hit the top sellers list every year since the invention of the printing press. In fact it was the first book printed. It is estimated that there have been between 2 to 6 billion copies sold. It is printed in practically every language in the world. That cannot be said by any other book in history.
So these claims MAKE the bible divinely inspired, huh? In other words, if lots of bibles are printed and because it sells the most, then it MUST be inspired.
There are so much logical fallacies in this post, I don't even know where to start.
So because writers in the book that says it is the word of god says it is the word of god then it must be the word of god then, eh? Nothing but circular logic.
So these claims MAKE the bible divinely inspired, huh? In other words, if lots of bibles are printed and because it sells the most, then it MUST be inspired.
Justin Beiber must be divine as well, that kid sells a bunch of records!
Oh this is so cool and I don't even have to look up anything.
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Originally Posted by Rafius
No Genesis creation.
I won't dwell on proofs that the Earth is more than the 6000 or so years claimed by YEC. Humanity is much more than 6000 years old (old cave paintings and suchlike), and we evolved from (other) apes, being closely related to chimpanzees (hominid fossil record, DNA, endogenous retroviruses, pseudogenes etc).
Did the cave painting have dates of authanticity? Evolution is just a theory and I don't remember "Uncle Chimp". We are also closely related to pigs if you want to include more theories.
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No Global Flood.
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The survival of Egypt's "Old Kingdom", the Chinese and various other Mesopotamian civilisations and the total lack of all the massive geological evidence that a recent worldwide inundation would inevitably leave behind (massive runoff channels, massive water erosion, total disruption of Greenland and Antarctic ice-sheet layers, and so forth).
As I said before there is no stamp for actual date of such things. Look at how much the US has changed in a mere 100 years, imagine 1000 years of 4000.
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No Tower of Babel
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Pretty self-explanatory, this. No sign of any pre-Babel "common language" in written records, no sign of any post-Babel "confusion of languages" towards the end of the second millennium BCE (the time of Babel).
It has been found in Iraq.
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No Exodus.
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No trace of the movement of several million people through the Sinai desert, no trace of their supposed encampment at Kadesh Barnea for many years. Where are the latrines, the corpses of those who must have died during that time, and so forth?
Chariot wheel have been found at the bottom of the red sea incrusted within coral reefs.
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No Conquest of Caanan.
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The Hebrews are Caananites. Their language evolved from Caananite (after the supposed Exodus), and their religion evolved from Caananite polytheism. We know this from Caananite records (notably the Ugaritic texts).
So you say the reverse couldnt have happened, gee so closed to facts.
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No "Golden Age" of Solomon.
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This "great empire" was never mentioned in the records of other surrounding civilizations.
you really need to look a little better.
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Failure of Ezekiel's "Tyre Prophecy".
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Ezekiel falsely predicted that Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon would take and permanently destroy Tyre. But Tyre survived Nebby's 13-year siege. Apologists have sought to cut this prophecy into 2 parts and have Alexander fulfil the second part centuries later (as he DID take Tyre), but this merely creates two failures where there was previously one: Nebby failed to take Tyre as prophesied, Alex failed to permanently destroy Tyre as prophesied.
Biblical referance please.
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Failure of Ezekiel's "Egypt Prophecy".
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After the failure of the Tyre prophecy, Ezekiel promised Egypt to Nebby as compensation. Nebby was to ransack Egypt so thoroughly that it would be uninhabited for 40 years. Historical records show that this did not happen.
Failure of the "Babylon Prophecy" (Isaiah and Jeremiah).
Both of these prophesied that the Medes would take and permanently destroy Babylon. But the Medes were conquered by the Persians, who then went on to peacefully take (and not destroy) Babylon.
Numerous historical inaccuracies in Daniel.
While Daniel was supposedly written in the 6th century BC, it was actually written four centuries later and gets many details wrong.
Actual biblical referencer please
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Herod/Quirinius issue (Luke's Jesus born a decade after Matthew's Jesus).
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Matthew's Jesus was born in Herod's time: Luke's Jesus was born at least a decade later, when Quirinius was governor of the region (as confirmed by various historical sources).
You really need to look again.
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No "Massacre of the Innocents".
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We have accounts from Herod's enemies, describing his various "crimes". The Massacre is not among them. It was invented by Matthew to draw a parallel between Jesus and Moses (who also supposedly survived an infant massacre, by Pharaoh).
You do realize this massacre mostlikely only killed maybe 20 kids and that at the time these things happened without being recorded but no big deal because like you said it has been confirmed by historical writings.
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No "zombie invasion of Jerusalem" or "supernatural darkness" (easily-noticed large-scale miracles).
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Again, pretty self-explanatory. The dead supposedly rose from their graves and wandered about in Jerusalem, and there was supposedly a supernatural darkness for several hours: numerous historians in the vicinity failed to notice these, as did all the gospel authors except one: obviously invented.
I dont know about the zombies but many did report seeing buried realatives, not an invasion but apperances. As for darkness scientists have shown that there was an eclipse but I dont recall it lasting for hours not even in the Bible.
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No return of Jesus within "this generation".
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There are numerous NT references to the imminent Second Coming: within one generation. Didn't happen, hence the "a day is as a thousand years to God" excuse, and so forth.
Easy one, you have misinterprited the quote you seemed to have left out. Let me paraphrase when Israel returns as a nation then that generation will see the return of Christ.
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How'd I do??
Pretty good but you have misrepresented a lot of facts and presented theories as evidence, tsk tsk try again but this time quote the Bible and look for more modern discoveries.
It's amazing the lengths people go to try to disprove the Bible. People have been trying to do it, yet the Bible still stands true. Stop wasting your time.
And the GREATER lengths (including outright lies) they go to to try to PROVE it.
Oh Puhleeeeeeeeeeeeze....try looking at the Ancient Sumerian Texts, The Ugarit Texts, The Egyptian Book of the Dead....ALL WRITTEN WELL BEFORE THE BIBLE. Surely you are not as uneducated as you are appearing to be when it comes to ancient archaeological texts.
Okay when were they dated did they have a stamped date on them?
So does the Qur'an or the Rig Veda or the Elder Edda or the Epic of Gilgamesh or the Enuma Elish or Hesiod's Theogony or the Bhagavad Gita or any other religious work.
No it isn't, there are conditions attached.
Well, interesting chat this evening folks...but it's time for bed.
There are, I must have missed that one because my salvation cost me nothing but a trip to the alter.
Raifus, I'll try to carry on the torch on this side of the pond if I can just find the time.
To be honest, all I see here in this thread is blind, mindless regurgitation up against, CLEAR, critical, objective rebuttals that if just given a chance, actually makes sense. I'm sure all these folks are good people, but the mindless babbling is amazing.
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