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Old 12-27-2013, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Clanton, AL
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Abraham died at the age of 175, which is rather young for that era.

The CC gave Christianity the Bible and then some Christian sects developed the concept of Sola Scriptura which does not paint the whole picture. Just because something is not in the bible means nothing. There is a whole lot more to Christianity than the NT.
See you have not proof that Joesph was an old man when he married Mary. It's just something someone made up to make their man made doctrine work. But no matter the word of God disproves the eternal virgin idea anyway.

God gave us His Word not your church. The bible predates the RCC. You have the history wrong.
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Old 12-27-2013, 05:48 AM
 
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The bible predates the RCC. You have the history wrong.
There was no NT after Jesus left, only the OT.
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Old 12-27-2013, 05:54 AM
 
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There was no NT after Jesus left, only the OT.
There was no RCC for hundreds of years after Jesus left. There was the books of the bible all prior to the RCC.
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Old 12-27-2013, 07:26 AM
 
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There was no RCC for hundreds of years after Jesus left. There was the books of the bible all prior to the RCC.

You are incorrect, it was called the CC as early as 107 AD. Furthermore the Didache which was probably written 80 AD describes the Eucharist quite well which is as Catholic as it gets.
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Old 12-27-2013, 07:34 AM
 
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You are incorrect, it was called the CC as early as 107 AD. Furthermore the Didache which was probably written 80 AD describes the Eucharist quite well which is as Catholic as it gets.
But the RCC did not exist for a few hundred years. Most prior to the RCC were Christian churches. RCC was formed by an apostate local church in Rome and take over by the government. That is what history proves. I am so sorry for you.
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Old 12-27-2013, 07:46 AM
 
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But the RCC did not exist for a few hundred years. Most prior to the RCC were Christian churches. RCC was formed by an apostate local church in Rome and take over by the government. That is what history proves. I am so sorry for you.
The Roman Empire accepted Catholicism in the early 4th century and it later became the RCC, however, the Church was already catholic as early as 107 AD.


Ignatius wrote about the church and said many things that point to catholicism rather than a Protestant type church. Ignatius knew Peter and John and was the Bishop of Antioch considered the cradle of true Christianity. These are some of the things that Ignatius wrote. Pay attention to the parts in bold:

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Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the bishop.

Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God ... They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes.
In the early church the Eucharist was the KEY. This is very much Catholic and had nothing to do with the Roman Empire.
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Old 12-27-2013, 08:30 AM
 
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There is a verse that refutes Mary's perpetual virginity. Matthew 13:55-56: Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of his sisters with us?

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Joseph and Mary ( a virgin ) did not have sex with each other until
after Jesus Christ was born of The Holy Ghost.


Lk:1:30: And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31: And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32: He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34: Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35: And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.



Mary was a virgin until after Jesus Christ was born,
then Mary was no longer a virgin.

Then Joseph knew ( Had Sexual Intercourse ) with his wife Mary, which is not a sin,
and they had children between themselves at least 4 sons and at least 2 sisters
according to the bible.

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Old 12-27-2013, 08:37 AM
 
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The Roman Empire accepted Catholicism in the early 4th century and it later became the RCC, however, the Church was already catholic as early as 107 AD.


Ignatius wrote about the church and said many things that point to catholicism rather than a Protestant type church. Ignatius knew Peter and John and was the Bishop of Antioch considered the cradle of true Christianity. These are some of the things that Ignatius wrote. Pay attention to the parts in bold:



In the early church the Eucharist was the KEY. This is very much Catholic and had nothing to do with the Roman Empire.
Depends on what you mean by "Catholic". If it's what the RCC is then that is not true. If you simply mean true Christianity then I can agree. But it was made of local churches with none over the other. That is Christ Church.
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Old 12-27-2013, 10:16 AM
 
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God gave us His Word not your church. The bible predates the RCC.
What history are you reading???
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Old 12-27-2013, 10:17 AM
 
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Depends on what you mean by "Catholic". If it's what the RCC is then that is not true. If you simply mean true Christianity then I can agree. But it was made of local churches with none over the other. That is Christ Church.
From the Catechism: (see bold)

Paragraph 3. The Church Is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic

811 "This is the sole Church of Christ, which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic."256 These four characteristics, inseparably linked with each other,257 indicate essential features of the Church and her mission. The Church does not possess them of herself; it is Christ who, through the Holy Spirit, makes his Church one, holy, catholic, and apostolic, and it is he who calls her to realize each of these qualities.
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