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[/b]It's bewildering to me why people get so hung up on Mary.
If you truly want to understand, I'll explain it as best as I can. Non-Catholics object to Mary and the entire business of saints because they have all been elevated to the status of gods -- Mary much more so than any of the others.
Now the term "gods" needs explaining here. Judeo-Christianity redefined the very definition of the word. In the non-Christian world, a god is any immortal with great supernatural powers. Omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence are not required to qualify. And with pagan pantheons of gods in mind, obviously being the most powerful being in the universe was also not a requirement. Every pagan pantheon has lesser gods. By revering Mary and other saints and investing them with superhuman supernatural powers, they are being turned into gods. Anyone on the outside looking in would view Catholic prayer and devotion to Mary and other saints as worship. To a non-Catholic, this directly contradicts hundreds of passages of scripture that prohibit the worship of anyone or anything other than God. It also looks a lot like the recreation of a polytheistic pantheon.
I don't think you will ever find any non-Catholic who actually hates Mary. No Christian in their right mind could hate her. We should all be thankful for the part she played in making Jesus' mortal life possible. Non-Catholics just hate the theology that turns a regular human being in Mary into a worshipped goddess.
If you truly want to understand, I'll explain it as best as I can. Non-Catholics object to Mary and the entire business of saints because they have all been elevated to the status of gods -- Mary much more so than any of the others.
Now the term "gods" needs explaining here. Judeo-Christianity redefined the very definition of the word. In the non-Christian world, a god is any immortal with great supernatural powers. Omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence are not required to qualify. And with pagan pantheons of gods in mind, obviously being the most powerful being in the universe was also not a requirement. Every pagan pantheon has lesser gods. By revering Mary and other saints and investing them with superhuman supernatural powers, they are being turned into gods. Anyone on the outside looking in would view Catholic prayer and devotion to Mary and other saints as worship. To a non-Catholic, this directly contradicts hundreds of passages of scripture that prohibit the worship of anyone or anything other than God. It also looks a lot like the recreation of a polytheistic pantheon.
I don't think you will ever find any non-Catholic who actually hates Mary. No Christian in their right mind could hate her. We should all be thankful for the part she played in making Jesus' mortal life possible. Non-Catholics just hate the theology that turns a regular human being in Mary into a worshipped goddess.
Let me know what you think after you watch the video. I hope it helps. By the way i never said a prayer to a saint or the virgin, but some Catholics folks do. You are complaining about a small part of the CC which is related to Catholic Culture.
By the way i never said a prayer to a saint or the virgin, but some Catholics folks do. You are complaining about a small part of the CC which is related to Catholic Culture.
So when you go and confess to a man in a closet and ask him to forgive your sins and he tells you to do so many "Hail Mary's" do not not do that?
So when you go and confess to a man in a closet and ask him to forgive your sins and he tells you to do so many "Hail Mary's" do not not do that?
Are you talking about 19th century Catholicism? No I personally do not do Hail Marys, but I love the
devotion and enjoy watching others do that. I like to see a statue of the Virgin in every catholic Church.
Since you are a Bible Fundamentalist you need to study this verse:
John 20:21-23
Jesus Appears to the Disciples
21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”
Jesus gave the apostles the license to remit sins in his name. And the Catholic Church is Apostolic.
I know you never read this part of the bible. I get that!
Perhaps you should take the verse to your preacher to see hat he thinks.
Your guess is 100% wrong. Im not SDA and they can keep their idol EGW as well.
I am a nondenominational Christian, that goes to church on Sunday , but also knows the truth to behind why we do what we do and will not try to butter things up to make excuses for it.
-I eat pork or shirmp every blue moon because i feel like it, not because I butchered some verses to try it make it seem like scriptures gave the okay.
-I go to church on Sunday as a day or worship, where Catholicism makes Sunday a Sabbath replacement.
-I studied the biblical holy days to get a better meaning of the bible and saw the significance of them and not just label them Jewish. All I was saying is atleast know the significance of those days and dont label everything Jewish and see how they can be helpful to everyone.
-Catholicism seems to label 66% of the bible (OT) as useless and all that is needed is the NT even though that is based off the OT. Just look at any responce and it is always, have you read the NT, thats not in the NT, NT etc.
My point is much of the thing i pointed out are error with the Catholic Doctrine that go against scriptures that many have commented and proved as well. It is not against a Catholic as a person, but more so the false teachings and the awful excuses Catholicism has to butter them up.
Oh, you are like my late FIL, he drove us nuts. He cobbled a little of that religion together with a little of another religion. He really had his own religion. Didn't bother me much until he came over to eat. If I had put milk into gravy he would not eat it. He kept the Jewish dietary commandants but just as much that suited him. He stayed away from pork unless there was a good piece of meat to eat.
When he was dying we sent a priest to talk to him and he told him he was Jewish, if we had sent a Rabbi to him I am sure he would say he was Catholic. Sad thing is I don't think he knew just what he was. He was a religion unto himself really.
If you truly want to understand, I'll explain it as best as I can. Non-Catholics object to Mary and the entire business of saints because they have all been elevated to the status of gods -- Mary much more so than any of the others.
Now the term "gods" needs explaining here. Judeo-Christianity redefined the very definition of the word. In the non-Christian world, a god is any immortal with great supernatural powers. Omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence are not required to qualify. And with pagan pantheons of gods in mind, obviously being the most powerful being in the universe was also not a requirement. Every pagan pantheon has lesser gods. By revering Mary and other saints and investing them with superhuman supernatural powers, they are being turned into gods. Anyone on the outside looking in would view Catholic prayer and devotion to Mary and other saints as worship. To a non-Catholic, this directly contradicts hundreds of passages of scripture that prohibit the worship of anyone or anything other than God. It also looks a lot like the recreation of a polytheistic pantheon.
I don't think you will ever find any non-Catholic who actually hates Mary. No Christian in their right mind could hate her. We should all be thankful for the part she played in making Jesus' mortal life possible. Non-Catholics just hate the theology that turns a regular human being in Mary into a worshipped goddess.Hope that makes some sense.
But that is all false. Actually, a lot of Protestants are now interested in Mary, especially after the movies out lately. They are now seeing her importance in salvation history. They are also taking time to really learn what is taught about her and not the false teachings floating around, same with the saints.
So when you go and confess to a man in a closet and ask him to forgive your sins and he tells you to do so many "Hail Mary's" do not not do that?
Dude you really don't know as much as you don't even know you know. Sad really.
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