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Old 07-07-2021, 12:33 PM
 
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I believe the Apostle Peter, who walked with Jesus.

“No prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:20-21).
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Old 07-07-2021, 01:20 PM
 
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I believe the Apostle Peter, who walked with Jesus.

“No prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:20-21).
People were inspired, nothing there that means dictated.
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Old 07-07-2021, 08:09 PM
 
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Is the Bible the word of God? No, it's the perceptions of men over time; a belief.
At the very least the Bible claims to be the word of God.

It has said that the Bible is an anvil that has worn out many a hammer over the course of history.

Many men have attempted to disprove it and have not been able to.
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Old 07-12-2021, 12:50 AM
 
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crickets...
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Old 07-12-2021, 12:09 PM
 
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Is the Bible the word of God? No, it's the perceptions of men over time; a belief.
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At the very least the Bible claims to be the word of God.

It has said that the Bible is an anvil that has worn out many a hammer over the course of history.

Many men have attempted to disprove it and have not been able to.
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crickets...
The crickets are in your head; a lot of noise with little to no understanding.
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Old 07-12-2021, 06:34 PM
 
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The crickets are in your head; a lot of noise with little to no understanding.
Funny...
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Old 07-12-2021, 09:48 PM
 
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At the very least the Bible claims to be the word of God.
Where does it make that claim?
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Old 07-12-2021, 09:53 PM
 
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Where does it make that claim?
2 Timothy 3:15-17.

Consider that Jesus also indirectly gives credence to 2 Timothy 3:15-17 in that He directly gives credence to Peter's writings in John 14:26, 16:13; and Peter directly gives credence to Paul's writings (and Paul wrote 2 Timothy 3:15-17) in 2 Peter 3:15-16; whereas Paul, in 2 Timothy 3:15-17, gives credence to the rest of all of holy scripture.
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Old 07-12-2021, 10:25 PM
 
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2 Timothy 3:15-17.

Consider that Jesus also indirectly gives credence to 2 Timothy 3:15-17 in that He directly gives credence to Peter's writings in John 14:26, 16:13; and Peter directly gives credence to Paul's writings (and Paul wrote 2 Timothy 3:15-17) in 2 Peter 3:15-16; whereas Paul, in 2 Timothy 3:15-17, gives credence to the rest of all of holy scripture.
The Bible did not exist when that was written and it does not say "the word of God " or the Bible. You use your biased inferences.
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Old 07-13-2021, 12:02 AM
 
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The Bible did not exist when that was written and it does not say "the word of God " or the Bible. You use your biased inferences.
Again, in John 14:26, 16:13, Jesus said that He would send the Holy Spirit who would teach the disciples everything they needed to know and who would also bring to remembrance everything that Jesus said and who would also guide them into all truth.

This gives credence to Peter's writings which had yet to be written.

And Peter gives credence to Paul's writings in 2 Peter 3:15-16; calling them scripture.

And Paul gives credence to the rest of holy scripture in 2 Timothy 3:15-17.

Now I will accept that scripture is everything written; but I would also contend that holy scripture is everything that we find in the confines of the Protestant kjv. That is how history bore out the situation.

Remember that God exists outside of time, in eternity (Isaiah 57:15). And known to Him from the beginning are all of His works (Acts 15:18).

So, from God's perspective, it was already a given that the Bible would be compiled in the form that we have it in today, as a Protestant kjv Bible, even when Jesus was still speaking the words that we find in John 14:26, John 16:13.
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