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If the kingdom is an actual tangible thing where is it?
Ask your local Catholic bishop.
"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." - Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, ~AD 110
"And if ever thou art sojourning in any city, inquire not simply where the Lord's house is--for the sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens, houses of the Lord--nor merely where the church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of the holy body the mother of us all." - Catechetical Discourses of St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Lecture 18, AD 347
"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." - Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, ~AD 110
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
"And if ever thou art sojourning in any city, inquire not simply where the Lord's house is--for the sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens, houses of the Lord--nor merely where the church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of the holy body the mother of us all." - Catechetical Discourses of St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Lecture 18, AD 347
So you have no scripture backing just more grandiose rcc propaganda miss -applying scripture to themselves.
So in effect you are saying the rcc is the kingdom.
So you have no scripture backing just more grandiose rcc propaganda miss -applying scripture to themselves.
You are operating on a premise of Sola Scriptura, a non-sensical and self-defeating premise.
Sacred Scripture has been defined, preserved, and propagated by the Catholic Church. Any deviation from the Catholic interpretation is by definition a misapplication.
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So in effect you are saying the rcc is the kingdom.
The "Kingdom of God" or "Kingdom of Heaven" has multiple meanings and applications, one of which is the Catholic Church. In this context, yes they are one and the same.
You are operating on a premise of Sola Scriptura, a non-sensical and self-defeating premise.
Sacred Scripture has been defined, preserved, and propagated by the Catholic Church. Any deviation from the Catholic interpretation is by definition a misapplication.
The "Kingdom of God" or "Kingdom of Heaven" has multiple meanings and applications, one of which is the Catholic Church. In this context, yes they are one and the same.
Your reliance on the rcc is evident in all your post mike but the kingdom of heaven is within you. It is not a tangible structure.
No scripture for that you are just believing that because your church tells you it is so. Which dtinks of adding to what the scriptures actually state.
Your own source of the word by word breakdown refutes your assertion despite the so-called translations. There is no conjunction after Cephas it is telling Cephas that "on, about, concerning" Jesus as the cornerstone he is to build the assembly.
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The one who holds the keys to the Kingdom is Christ Jesus himself, not man.
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So, I'm going to throw a wrench in here and suggest that the "rock" being referred to is not an individual at all. Jesus Christ himself was the cornerstone of His Church, and I don't believe it was built upon Peter or anybody else, but upon Jesus Christ. Looking at the conversation Jesus was having with the apostles just prior to this proclamation, we see that He asked them who they believed Him to be. He got various answers, none of them being correct, until Peter said that Jesus was "the Christ, the Son of the Living God." Jesus commended him for realizing this, and then went on to say that Peter knew what he did, not by having been taught this by men (i.e., by "flesh and blood") but by God himself (i.e. "our Father in Heaven"). I believe that the rock upon which the Church was built was the rock of revelation, the means that God would continue to direct His Church through ongoing revelation to his servants.
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Yes, and He gave them to Peter, as is His right to do.
If God so chooses to entrust certain things to man, that is His prerogative.
He gave them temporarily until He returned as the Comforter at Pentecost! What need have we of men to teach us when He resides within our consciousness and we have His guidance every time we are in the states of mind associated with God's Holy Spirit of agape love. When we are NOT in those states of mind we are prone to sin, especially when we are in the opposite states of mind. That is when we need to repent - renew our state of mind.
He gave them temporarily until He returned as the Comforter at Pentecost!
I see no indication of that either in Scripture or the historical teaching of the Church. As a matter of fact, I've never heard that before in my life. Is there a particular theologian who has taught that?
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What need have we of men to teach us when He resides within our consciousness and we have His guidance every time we are in the states of mind associated with God's Holy Spirit of agape love. When we are NOT in those states of mind we are prone to sin, especially when we are in the opposite states of mind. That is when we need to repent - renew our state of mind.
You tell me. Aren't you a professor? Isn't teaching what you do?
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